Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers

06-09-2008, 11:42 PM

Jim-

That's the way it should be, but it's not how they do it. If they can't get it with the group, then they do the average by class. Therefore, A will get the combo hit. The reason is because the average is over 1.00 in A with this combo. Dumb, isn't it? So Mark is asking for somebody that can tech in A, and run .82 under or slower, to offset the average of 1.17 under.

Jim Cimarolli · 06-10-2008, 05:03 AM

Thanks Sean,
I knew what Mark was asking for, but are you saying that only the A cars will get the hp?

Randall Klein · 06-10-2008, 09:31 AM

To quote the departed Len Imbrogno, 'AHFS" is a simple system"...years into it and questions multiply.It just gets curiouser and curiouser as Alice in Wonderland said....

Jim Cimarolli · 06-10-2008, 10:15 AM

I had just never heard of it being done this way, last year we all got hit, I'll bet thats the way it is this year too.

06-10-2008, 10:19 AM

Jim-

No, the "combination" hit will be because of A. If A drops below the required 1.00 second under average, then the horsepower on the iron head remains the same.

I know this, because the 350/295 combo has gotten horsepower the last two reviews in SS. GT/AA is the only class that has been over 1.00 under, so the entire combo has received HP. Not taking into account, the only cars that have flagged the review were Cavaliers, or Sunfires. So now all the body styles that run this combo have to carry the new HP. NICE HUH?

Mark Faul · 06-10-2008, 10:22 AM

Jim,
Sean is right. Because the second thing they look at is class average, ALL cars in the group would get horsepower based just on A.
This is how we got the last adjustment a year ago. Even though the engine average was safe, the next factor got us.

Mark Faul · 06-10-2008, 10:27 AM

The aluminum head has the same problem. The overall engine average is safe, but there were a lot of fast runs in B/SA that brought the average in at -1.02x, so this combination will get hp because of the class average being more than -1.00

hadtobethere · 06-10-2008, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed OBrien

You guys better stop bitching at the slow guys and listen to yourselves .! Have a nice day

ED...it is too bad you don't run one of the 396/375 combos, if you did then the average would be way down, they need more dumb asses like you with this combo who would never be able to run fast to keep from getting hit.......

Jim Cimarolli · 06-10-2008, 11:55 AM

Mark,
Thats what I mean, we all get it, not just a car in A.
Hell, I hope they give it 25.....

Dave Ficacci · 06-10-2008, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Faul

The aluminum head has the same problem. The overall engine average is safe, but there were a lot of fast runs in B/SA that brought the average in at -1.02x, so this combination will get hp because of the class average being more than -1.00

Mark, is it mathematically possible for the aluminum head average to be brought below 1 under based on what we run at Englishtown? Can it still be saved?

06-09-2008, 11:42 PM	#1
Sean Cour Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers Jim- That's the way it should be, but it's not how they do it. If they can't get it with the group, then they do the average by class. Therefore, A will get the combo hit. The reason is because the average is over 1.00 in A with this combo. Dumb, isn't it? So Mark is asking for somebody that can tech in A, and run .82 under or slower, to offset the average of 1.17 under.

06-10-2008, 05:03 AM	#2
Jim Cimarolli Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sulphur Springs Texas Posts: 742 Likes: 146 Liked 166 Times in 46 Posts	Re: Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers Thanks Sean, I knew what Mark was asking for, but are you saying that only the A cars will get the hp?

06-10-2008, 09:31 AM	#3
Randall Klein Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 785 Likes: 45 Liked 316 Times in 67 Posts	Re: Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers To quote the departed Len Imbrogno, 'AHFS" is a simple system"...years into it and questions multiply.It just gets curiouser and curiouser as Alice in Wonderland said....

06-10-2008, 10:15 AM	#4
Jim Cimarolli Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sulphur Springs Texas Posts: 742 Likes: 146 Liked 166 Times in 46 Posts	Re: Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers I had just never heard of it being done this way, last year we all got hit, I'll bet thats the way it is this year too.

06-10-2008, 10:19 AM	#5
Sean Cour Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers Jim- No, the "combination" hit will be because of A. If A drops below the required 1.00 second under average, then the horsepower on the iron head remains the same. I know this, because the 350/295 combo has gotten horsepower the last two reviews in SS. GT/AA is the only class that has been over 1.00 under, so the entire combo has received HP. Not taking into account, the only cars that have flagged the review were Cavaliers, or Sunfires. So now all the body styles that run this combo have to carry the new HP. NICE HUH?

06-10-2008, 10:22 AM	#6
Mark Faul Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Tacoma,WA Posts: 341 Likes: 2 Liked 43 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers Jim, Sean is right. Because the second thing they look at is class average, ALL cars in the group would get horsepower based just on A. This is how we got the last adjustment a year ago. Even though the engine average was safe, the next factor got us.

06-10-2008, 10:27 AM	#7
Mark Faul Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Tacoma,WA Posts: 341 Likes: 2 Liked 43 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers The aluminum head has the same problem. The overall engine average is safe, but there were a lot of fast runs in B/SA that brought the average in at -1.02x, so this combination will get hp because of the class average being more than -1.00

06-10-2008, 11:55 AM	#9
Jim Cimarolli Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sulphur Springs Texas Posts: 742 Likes: 146 Liked 166 Times in 46 Posts	Re: Attn 396, 375hp iron head racers Mark, Thats what I mean, we all get it, not just a car in A. Hell, I hope they give it 25.....