How many classes are needed in Stock or SS?

Jim Wahl · 07-19-2008, 02:30 AM

Alan, When I said "you got your Top Stock and your Jr. Stock and several other heads up classes." to Dick, I meant collectively. As in: you ALL have your classes. Everyone knows in Dick's world the only kind of racing is heads up. Everything else is just bracket racing and shouldn't be allowed. I don't begrudge you your class, so don't you begrudge me mine. Get it?

Several years ago NHRA said they were going to combine FWD cars with RWD cars, do you remember? With some assistance a study was done. It was determined it wasn't possible. That is when they decided to eliminate them all together. I'll give you an example. I'll use my car. I run BF/S which is a 16lb class. Now, cross that over to RWD classes and you come up with P/SA a 16lb class. Now I have run a best of 13.60 at BF/S weight. My index is 14.95. P/SA index is 13.75. The record in P/SA is currently 12.17. The record in BF/S is currently 13.97. Do you see a disparity there? Now comes the question, why? I won't even get into the physics of "pulling" a car 1320 feet and "pushing" a car that distance. Lets just say that efficiency is on the side of "pushing". Then you get into the parts disparities. There are generally no trick cams (I use a totally bone stock cam) lifters, pistons, superseded heads, rods, cranks, oil pans available for FWD combos. There are also no trick gear ratios for the transmissions. No final drive options either. Basically 90% of a FWD Stocker is truly "stock" They just started making real slicks available for FWD cars about 5 years ago, and there are only 2 or 3 sizes at that. I would say the FWD cars are the only true Stockers running now-a-days. My Spirit from the factory would run in the 18 second range. Could you knock almost 5 seconds off your combo using bone stock parts? No trick transmissions, no unlimited rear gear ratio, no trick cams, pistons, rods, cranks superseded heads, ignitions, computers etc. I hope that answers your question as to why FWD cars can not run equally with RWD cars. Jim

07-19-2008, 02:30 AM	#21
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 666 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: How many classes are needed in Stock or SS? Alan, When I said "you got your Top Stock and your Jr. Stock and several other heads up classes." to Dick, I meant collectively. As in: you ALL have your classes. Everyone knows in Dick's world the only kind of racing is heads up. Everything else is just bracket racing and shouldn't be allowed. I don't begrudge you your class, so don't you begrudge me mine. Get it? Several years ago NHRA said they were going to combine FWD cars with RWD cars, do you remember? With some assistance a study was done. It was determined it wasn't possible. That is when they decided to eliminate them all together. I'll give you an example. I'll use my car. I run BF/S which is a 16lb class. Now, cross that over to RWD classes and you come up with P/SA a 16lb class. Now I have run a best of 13.60 at BF/S weight. My index is 14.95. P/SA index is 13.75. The record in P/SA is currently 12.17. The record in BF/S is currently 13.97. Do you see a disparity there? Now comes the question, why? I won't even get into the physics of "pulling" a car 1320 feet and "pushing" a car that distance. Lets just say that efficiency is on the side of "pushing". Then you get into the parts disparities. There are generally no trick cams (I use a totally bone stock cam) lifters, pistons, superseded heads, rods, cranks, oil pans available for FWD combos. There are also no trick gear ratios for the transmissions. No final drive options either. Basically 90% of a FWD Stocker is truly "stock" They just started making real slicks available for FWD cars about 5 years ago, and there are only 2 or 3 sizes at that. I would say the FWD cars are the only true Stockers running now-a-days. My Spirit from the factory would run in the 18 second range. Could you knock almost 5 seconds off your combo using bone stock parts? No trick transmissions, no unlimited rear gear ratio, no trick cams, pistons, rods, cranks superseded heads, ignitions, computers etc. I hope that answers your question as to why FWD cars can not run equally with RWD cars. Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.