New HP

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

The 427 Rat is a great engine for A/SA, but not quite the fastest, in my opinion...
Bill

Ever heard about Bobby DeArmond and Joe Sorensen? rest my case..

p.s. its sad that the system took Hemi-Cuda's and Challengers out of contention..

[greg fulk]

The 73-81 dish piston 350 got hit again too it's @ 287 now up from 283! 2 years ago it was @ 275! & had been for quite some time

[PJ305]

Originally Posted by greg fulk

The 73-81 dish piston 350 got hit again too it's @ 287 now up from 283! 2 years ago it was @ 275! & had been for quite some time

Greg,

Did the 73-80 Corvette get HP? I can't get the class guide to open.

Thanks

[bill dedman]

>>>>>Ever heard about Bobby DeArmond and Joe Sorensen?
rest my case..<<<<<

Yes, I've heard of them but have never seen either of them outrun any of the three cars I mentioned.

Have you?

I don't believe they can, under normal conditions.

Neither of them seems to want to show up at Indy...

Some cold cases are worth re-opening....

Just my 2-cents...

Bill
PS Not to worry; the Hemi lives on in the GTX... and, I completely overlooked the awful-awful Stage III Wedge of John Shaul... How stupid of me.

The amazing thing is, ALL those other cars have multiple carburetion... but, the Chevy gets it done with one four barrell....

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by bsa633

Ever heard about Bobby DeArmond and Joe Sorensen? rest my case..

p.s. its sad that the system took Hemi-Cuda's and Challengers out of contention..

Damned right I have. Bobby has had his car, and the same combination, for as long or longer than I've had my wife, and we've been married 22 years. Super nice guy. Ask his engine builder, Gary McGlasson, they've got more money in cams and headers that don't work laying around than most people have in a decent car. I can't remember how long Joe and Hal have had that nasty little green car.

We're two tenths slower than Bobby, or Joe and Hal. We're getting there. And we're considered to have a pretty decent 427 car. Most everyone else is two tenths or more slower than either Bobby or Joe and Hal. That's why the average for the car and engine does not get hit. The same engine is in the 66 Corvette, the 69 Chevelle, and the 66-69 Impala. All of that keeps the average down.

Now that we have the AA class, the Hemi isn't out of anything. Besides, I guess you've never seen Barton run, and let's not forget Shaul and the other non Hemi Chryslers. Further, word has it when Henson ran that high 9.80, the car already weighed about what it had to after he got the HP the next Tuesday.

I won't bring up much on the Fords, there's been enough bandwidth spent on them to start another Internet. Let's just say they're no less underfactored than any of the 427 or 396 Chevies.

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Now that we have the AA class, the Hemi isn't out of anything. Besides, I guess you've never seen Barton run, and let's not forget Shaul and the other non Hemi Chryslers. Further, word has it when Henson ran that high 9.80, the car already weighed about what it had to after he got the HP the next Tuesday.
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Have you seen alot of Hemi-Cuda's or Challengers latley??those were the cars i was talking about if you read my post.. I doubt anyone seriously will try to "get in the match" as long they have a 457 hp factor..looks dead to me!!

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by bsa633

Have you seen alot of Hemi-Cuda's or Challengers latley??those were the cars i was talking about if you read my post.. I doubt anyone seriously will try to "get in the match" as long they have a 457 hp factor..looks dead to me!!

LOOKED at them? I know a guy locally who runs a REAL one. Yes, he carries a lot of weight. But it runs pretty damned well, especially considering he has not really thrashed on it. Like I said, word is Henson was already at the weight currently required when he made the pass. Yes, he made it hard on everyone else running the combination. But no, he didn't completely kill it, and no, everyone didn't quit running it.

[Bruce Noland]

Over the years Bobby and the Sorensen brothers have raced their cars at Indy.

Also please take a look at the west coast race schedule before putting too much weight into who shows up at Indy. They begin racing very early out there. Racers' fatigue sets in by early summer and a lot of them take a break until the fall races. Many fast racers have made the journey out west for the early and late racing season where they have locked horns with Bobby and the Sorensen brothers.

Bobby has flogged that blue Camaro as hard as any one has ever flogged a stocker and his results have been nothing short of exceptional - AA/SA record holder and first class AA/SA class winner since the return of the class. And don't forget that little 9 second run he made a few years ago - after that run he had the first, if not the only, video taped tear down.

[Jared Jordan]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

LOOKED at them? I know a guy locally who runs a REAL one. Yes, he carries a lot of weight. But it runs pretty damned well, especially considering he has not really thrashed on it. Like I said, word is Henson was already at the weight currently required when he made the pass. Yes, he made it hard on everyone else running the combination. But no, he didn't completely kill it, and no, everyone didn't quit running it.

That was some of the best air anyone's ever seen when Henson ran the 9.89 at Belle Rose. Ask him. He'll tell you the same thing.

That combo at 457 hp is a total waste of time if you want to be "the guy" in A or AA/SA. Yes, it is still somewhat competitive and a good one will still go fairly fast, but not fast enough. Why do you think West/Henson built the GTX? Fred even tried to put a 4-speed in the Challenger to get around the HP factor. Think he would have done all of that if he thought he could go to Indy and win at 457 hp?

I know how much power those motors make (had a few of them on our dyno) and let me tell you Fred's motor had the same hp as the other ones that I've seen dyno'd. Why haven't you heard about the other ones? They were done after Fred's and now weigh 3840 lbs in A/SA.

[Chuck Beach]

Evan Smith is exactly right, it will never be perfect and really can't be adjusted that would make much difference. I have posted on here many times about this subject. Here is the list again:

1) we don't all go to the same machine shop
2) we don't all run the same combination
3) we don't all run the same brand
4) we don't all have equal OEM 'replacement parts' (heads, blocks, etc.)
5) we don't all spend the same amount of money
6) we don't all put the same time and effort into our combo
7) we don't all race at the same races where the conditions could be mind shaft or really bad
8) we don't all run our race cars on kill all the time nor do we want to because of the wear and tear, so it only makes sense to back them down if no heads up are involved
9) we don't all race the same number of races each year, so the data is not consistant
10) there are not the same number of cars that make up each combo, some have 2 or 3 cars (ie. 340) while others have 50 or more (ie. 305's)
11) we don't all own our own machine shops

So with this in mind are we trying to

1) create a socialist class (everyone is the same regardless of time, money and effort)
2) penalize the racers that work hard, spend the time and money to be the best
3) throw out what this class was built on ..... PERFORMANCE

Race and SHUT UP ....