New HP - Page 4

Joe DeMarzo · 12-04-2008, 09:03 PM

Mickey, yes sir, that is what you get for working on your combo and running it hard. Some other combo's got zippo, go and figure.

bill dedman · 12-05-2008, 12:34 AM

RE: 427 Chevy's in Stock...been at the top of the class for more than 10 years and never got hit once."

How can you say they are at the "top of the class" when the 426 Hemi in Ronnie West's GTX (previously in Fred Henson's '70 Challenger) and the paper cars ('67 Shelby single 4bbl GT 500s) display e.t.capabilities somewhat beyond what any of the 427 Cheys can run? John Cooper's '66 427 medium-riser Fairlane has also shown to be quicker, by holding the A/SA record for long periods, I believe.

I think the 396 aluminum head motor may even be faster in A/SA than a 427. at this point, although they just got hit with a little HP last month. Time will tell...

The 427 Rat is a great engine for A/SA, but not quite the fastest, in my opinion...

Bill

bsa633 · 12-05-2008, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bill dedman

The 427 Rat is a great engine for A/SA, but not quite the fastest, in my opinion...
Bill

Ever heard about Bobby DeArmond and Joe Sorensen? rest my case..

p.s. its sad that the system took Hemi-Cuda's and Challengers out of contention..

greg fulk · 12-05-2008, 03:05 AM

The 73-81 dish piston 350 got hit again too it's @ 287 now up from 283! 2 years ago it was @ 275! & had been for quite some time

bill dedman · 12-05-2008, 05:46 AM

>>>>>Ever heard about Bobby DeArmond and Joe Sorensen?
rest my case..<<<<<

Yes, I've heard of them but have never seen either of them outrun any of the three cars I mentioned.

Have you?

I don't believe they can, under normal conditions.

Neither of them seems to want to show up at Indy...

Some cold cases are worth re-opening....

Just my 2-cents...

Bill
PS Not to worry; the Hemi lives on in the GTX... and, I completely overlooked the awful-awful Stage III Wedge of John Shaul... How stupid of me.

The amazing thing is, ALL those other cars have multiple carburetion... but, the Chevy gets it done with one four barrell....

Alan Roehrich · 12-05-2008, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bsa633

Ever heard about Bobby DeArmond and Joe Sorensen? rest my case..

p.s. its sad that the system took Hemi-Cuda's and Challengers out of contention..

Damned right I have. Bobby has had his car, and the same combination, for as long or longer than I've had my wife, and we've been married 22 years. Super nice guy. Ask his engine builder, Gary McGlasson, they've got more money in cams and headers that don't work laying around than most people have in a decent car. I can't remember how long Joe and Hal have had that nasty little green car.

We're two tenths slower than Bobby, or Joe and Hal. We're getting there. And we're considered to have a pretty decent 427 car. Most everyone else is two tenths or more slower than either Bobby or Joe and Hal. That's why the average for the car and engine does not get hit. The same engine is in the 66 Corvette, the 69 Chevelle, and the 66-69 Impala. All of that keeps the average down.

Now that we have the AA class, the Hemi isn't out of anything. Besides, I guess you've never seen Barton run, and let's not forget Shaul and the other non Hemi Chryslers. Further, word has it when Henson ran that high 9.80, the car already weighed about what it had to after he got the HP the next Tuesday.

I won't bring up much on the Fords, there's been enough bandwidth spent on them to start another Internet. Let's just say they're no less underfactored than any of the 427 or 396 Chevies.

Smitty · 12-05-2008, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bsa633

He should have been able too avoid that..either he did not fully understood this "system" or maybe he just didn't care...by the way..FORD's get's screwed by NHRA???..myself i always thought they got almost everything asked for..

It looks as if the GT/AA class is really going to be dominated by one certain combo now as I see the Chevy 400 got hp also. Damn that AHFS is really f'd up but as someone said earlier others don't know how to avoid being hit but that shouldn't be the way it is and it's ashamed those figure heads in Glendora don't do anything about it. Warren Johnson was dead on in his assessment of the leadership at NHRA.

Evan Smith · 12-05-2008, 08:46 AM

New hp is posted on the Lucas site. The '67 Ford 428 355 engine got 5 hp. It was 367, is now 372. For the record, it is the racers who give hp, not the NHRA. Of course, the class, engine and body combo can be twisted around, but by and large it is the racer's average, or a 1.40 (or quicker) run that garners anyone the lead trophy.

Let's face it, there is no way we will ever have a "perfect" system considering we are tying to even the playing field for virtually 50 years worth of cars, trucks and the technology that each vehicle brings. Not to mention the variation of tracks, weather, tech, compression ratios, displacement, wheelbase, body and driveline design. If anyone is smart enough to create a system that can equalize all of this madness I would gladly buy them dinner.

Evan

Alan Roehrich · 12-05-2008, 08:56 AM

I'll have to disagree with you Evan. There have been some really good discussions on how to fix the AHFS, and while it can never be perfect, nor can you prevent people from working the system, it can be improved a great deal. It would not take a great deal of effort on the part of NHRA, but evidently NHRA feels any extra effort on their part is too much.

Dick Butler · 12-05-2008, 09:08 AM

Alan, I have to agree. The plan includes allow as many combinations an easy entry and then wait as long as possible to pay attention because "its all dial in anyway". Chances of really having to race heads up is small.(in their thinking).

12-04-2008, 09:03 PM	#31
Joe DeMarzo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mahopac, NY Posts: 666 Likes: 48 Liked 113 Times in 9 Posts	Re: New HP Mickey, yes sir, that is what you get for working on your combo and running it hard. Some other combo's got zippo, go and figure. __________________ Joe DeMarzo 1317 STK

12-05-2008, 12:34 AM	#32
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: New HP RE: 427 Chevy's in Stock...been at the top of the class for more than 10 years and never got hit once." How can you say they are at the "top of the class" when the 426 Hemi in Ronnie West's GTX (previously in Fred Henson's '70 Challenger) and the paper cars ('67 Shelby single 4bbl GT 500s) display e.t.capabilities somewhat beyond what any of the 427 Cheys can run? John Cooper's '66 427 medium-riser Fairlane has also shown to be quicker, by holding the A/SA record for long periods, I believe. I think the 396 aluminum head motor may even be faster in A/SA than a 427. at this point, although they just got hit with a little HP last month. Time will tell... The 427 Rat is a great engine for A/SA, but not quite the fastest, in my opinion... Bill __________________ Bill

12-05-2008, 03:05 AM	#34
greg fulk VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: jackson Posts: 1,165 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: New HP The 73-81 dish piston 350 got hit again too it's @ 287 now up from 283! 2 years ago it was @ 275! & had been for quite some time __________________ Greg Fulk 308 308X P/SA "ALL AMERICAN"

12-05-2008, 05:46 AM	#35
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: New HP >>>>>Ever heard about Bobby DeArmond and Joe Sorensen? rest my case..<<<<< Yes, I've heard of them but have never seen either of them outrun any of the three cars I mentioned. Have you? I don't believe they can, under normal conditions. Neither of them seems to want to show up at Indy... Some cold cases are worth re-opening.... Just my 2-cents... Bill PS Not to worry; the Hemi lives on in the GTX... and, I completely overlooked the awful-awful Stage III Wedge of John Shaul... How stupid of me. The amazing thing is, ALL those other cars have multiple carburetion... but, the Chevy gets it done with one four barrell.... __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 12-05-2008 at 05:54 AM.

12-05-2008, 08:46 AM	#38
Evan Smith Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 400 Likes: 7 Liked 115 Times in 5 Posts	Re: New HP New hp is posted on the Lucas site. The '67 Ford 428 355 engine got 5 hp. It was 367, is now 372. For the record, it is the racers who give hp, not the NHRA. Of course, the class, engine and body combo can be twisted around, but by and large it is the racer's average, or a 1.40 (or quicker) run that garners anyone the lead trophy. Let's face it, there is no way we will ever have a "perfect" system considering we are tying to even the playing field for virtually 50 years worth of cars, trucks and the technology that each vehicle brings. Not to mention the variation of tracks, weather, tech, compression ratios, displacement, wheelbase, body and driveline design. If anyone is smart enough to create a system that can equalize all of this madness I would gladly buy them dinner. Evan __________________ Evan Smith 1798 STK

12-05-2008, 08:56 AM	#39
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,115 Likes: 1,572 Liked 1,829 Times in 414 Posts	Re: New HP I'll have to disagree with you Evan. There have been some really good discussions on how to fix the AHFS, and while it can never be perfect, nor can you prevent people from working the system, it can be improved a great deal. It would not take a great deal of effort on the part of NHRA, but evidently NHRA feels any extra effort on their part is too much. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

12-05-2008, 09:08 AM	#40
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: New HP Alan, I have to agree. The plan includes allow as many combinations an easy entry and then wait as long as possible to pay attention because "its all dial in anyway". Chances of really having to race heads up is small.(in their thinking).