Econo Modified

[randy wilson]

Joe, 8.5 lbs. are good with me. Mike Taylor, a man after my own heart. In my opinion, anytime you allow 20 different style cylinder heads, and think for a second, one won't have an advantage over the other, because you put a cute little plate under it, you're either dreaming, or you think you have that magic head already. Guys, the concept is cute, but there WILL be an advantage somewhere, and the class, not only won't take off, but will die in it's infancy. Now then, if you have them all run the spec head, and a spacer, and exhaust restrictor, then that's a different story. I personally believe a spec collector, and spec normal 4 hole spacer will achieve what you want, and make the cars a little more interesting. Come on guys, at 8.5 lbs. you're only talking about low nines. Slow em dowm 2 more seconds, and wow. Where's the excitement.

[randy wilson]

Dick, no one ever went and watched the boat races anyway. Drag racing, at least once had an audience. SPEC HEAD IS THE ANSWER!! WE'VE NEVER HAD THE CHANCE BEFORE TO RUN ALL BIG THREE WITH THE SAME POTENTIAL.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Mike Taylor 3601

The first thing that came to mind with restrictor plates was nascar,I know they were introduced to slow down cars on super speedways,I think the theory was slap the plates on there and that would be it,I don't think they knew what was going to happen,they devoloped engines around the plates,spent lots and lots of dollars,on R&D,it seemed like simple fix but turned into nightmare.
I don't know if something like that would happen with Billy's ideal,but I think a engine could be built that would take advantage of restrictors on intake and exhaust,you put them on your ordinary engine it's going to make bigger difference,could you build engine to work with restrictors that would be advantage?maybe
I had friend worked nascar for years now retired,once told me of lasered intakes used on restrictor plate engines,they had thousands of tiny holes put in by laser so they could pull air through them,said they were mainly to qualify with because dirt,rubber,etc. would stop the holes after so many laps
I think the easiest and least expensive way to do this would be with the brodix spec heads,it would only allow 3 engines to be ran as evenly matched as possible
I believe if you allow deck height from 9.0-9.600 that would keep rotate assm. close in weight and that covers sbc,351w and sbm would allow guy to start w/stock block if they wanted that option.

The restrictors would allow many combo's which would be good,but could the parity be kept equal?

The main thing in my opinion that kills most heads up racing that fails is,a few run off from everyone else then you are left w/2-3 cars and it's over.
Keep cost down,cars evenly matched,I believe it could work.
MikeTaylor 3601

The "Association" or "Sanctioning Body" would/should be responsible for handing out the restrictor plates. They would need to have them made and numbered.
You're worried about Racers developing motors around a plate but they're going to do the same with their X deck height block, Y cubic inch to weight and Z spec head anyway and a restrictor plate and collector added to an existing motor is a bunch easier to swallow.
The end result will always be that 2-3 Racers will dominate because they will take the time and spend the money.
You need participants to get this thing started. Period. You need to make participation as simple and painless as you possibly can. Period.

[randy wilson]

If you allow any cylinder head, I ain't interested. But, I wish you guys all the luck, and I hope it works for you. Thanks for listening, and "GET er done!"

[joespanova]

Originally Posted by randy wilson

If you allow any cylinder head, I ain't interested. But, I wish you guys all the luck, and I hope it works for you. Thanks for listening, and "GET er done!"

Where the hell are you goin'? You're the one who started this debacle

[Adger Smith]

Billy,
Look at the rule # 33 on the APBA Super Stock class. It is about the Tech.
Interesting concept.

[randy wilson]

Joe, I didn't start this debacle, I started a discussion. I think there's more interest in a restrictor plate, restricted exhaust deal with any head. I just want to be man enough to step aside. What they're talking about now is just taking any, and all, existing cars, and heads, and handing them a restrictor plate. It just doesn't interest me, is all. It doesn't mean it won't work, it's just not my thing. Before long, anyone who wants to stay competitive, will have to purchase the head, and do the work to it, that makes it more powerful in a restricted air flow class. You're back to square one. I just find it hard to believe that 3 heads designed to run with each other, and cost of bare heads are as follows, Ford, $998 a pair, Mopar, $1,049 a pair, Chevy, $889 a pair. Or at least they were. That will be the cost limitations in itself. I'm sure some of you know what Carl at CFE charges for a ready to run top end. Why does it work so well in ASCS racing?

[randy wilson]

You know, the funny thing is we're all discussing, and arguing about something that will never happen. I think we've missed the era of interesting spectators, or racers in the concept.

[Michael Beard]

All anyone has done is provided opinions and options. It's just like the Class Nationals. We've talked about it ever since Alex's race, so we will have gone over a decade without a wildly popular event. Eventually, someone has to just DO it. If you have 10, 20, 30 guys that want to build spec head stick cars and go race them, you don't need NHRA's blessing. Just go do it.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

If you have 10, 20, 30 guys that want to build spec head stick cars and go race them, you don't need NHRA's blessing. Just go do it.

Good point,Michael
Junior Dragster started with who, the Napp brothers at Englishtown, right?
If it's appealing to the masses, it'll spread..Go for it!