Pure Stocker Thread - Page 8

GarysZ24 · 06-05-2012, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz

The v6 mustangs will run high 13's bone stock. Not sure about the Challengers and Camaros.

I'm not sure either, about the other two? However, given that the 2010 Challenger had a 250hp V6 engine, and the car I believe weighs about 3600 lbs, I'm not feeling good about it being even a mid-14sec. car? I believe the Camaro is a couple of hundred pounds lighter, and has a stronger V6, so it should be closer to the Mustang?

GarysZ24 · 06-05-2012, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ALMACK

Good idea Dan.
I think it would be cool to have an event and invite all levels of "Stock" or stock appearing vehicles to the event.

i.e. : The F.A.S.T. guys could run in one class
The IHRA Pure Stockers in their group
The purestockdrags.com guys in their class
...and also the IHRA/NHRA Stock Eliminator racers.

That would be cool to see a bunch of race cars that closely resemble their factory built appearance. ( instead of a bunch of giant, goofy, aftermarket hoodscoop racecars)

I myself have thought about starting a stock appearance race for 1982 and newer domestic brand factory performance machines.
Loosely based on the F.A.S.T. series but only open to 1982 and newer.

I'm interested....

Dan Fahey · 06-06-2012, 11:13 AM

Thanks for the really great Reponse..

Sure would llike to see IHRA push Pure Stock a lot more, especially the PureStockDrag racing program.
It would definitely add to the ranks to bring more rides to race in our series.
A facinating opportunity to compete in a competitve program that keeps these rare cars engaged in racing history.

IHRA would be wise to reach out to PureStockDrags and invite them.
Plus PureStockDrag officials are also experienced Class Racers with an experiences Tech Department.

Just think of the incredible car show it would bring seeing rare restored rides being exercised.
Some cars we have not seen since the 60's and 70's..and teaming with personality.

In fact Nostalgic Stock would be another excellent and natural consideration helping to revive Junior Stock/Pure Stock racing.
This would be really cool because the changes to meet Pure Stock rules would be fairly inexpensive.
There already has been calls to invite Nostalgic Stock to race in IHRA.

Reposting this youtube link posted by another racer:

BTW
I am looking at planning a new Pure Stock Web Site.
Want to collect Pictures and Comments about your rides.
Going to take a lot of work and time.

Send me your history of how you got into Stock Drag Racing.
Include all your rides, pictures, brief description, especially detail the Pure Stock Rides.
danfahey@dansources.com
In Subject Line write PureStockDragRacing: Car and Class

May need help Writing, Editing and putting this together.
Volunteers appreciated

Lets ROCK the GOALS

Dan Fahey (SuperRef)

Corvette Guy · 06-17-2012, 07:51 AM

saw this car run 11.26

blue one ran 11.36, not sure about the black one but it was in the 11's

these car ran in Factory Stock, not FAST

Ed Wright · 06-17-2012, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GarysZ24

I'm not sure either, about the other two? However, given that the 2010 Challenger had a 250hp V6 engine, and the car I believe weighs about 3600 lbs, I'm not feeling good about it being even a mid-14sec. car? I believe the Camaro is a couple of hundred pounds lighter, and has a stronger V6, so it should be closer to the Mustang?

Your mistaken about the car weights. Both are close to 4000 lbs.

James L Miller · 06-17-2012, 10:50 AM

I've seen the V6 Challengers were supposed to be 3900 pounds and some change. I've seen the V6 Chargers run 15s, so I'd say the early V6 Challengers would be low 15s stock. The newer one has more power, so they would get into the 14s I would think. I have a 2009 SE, but never ran it at the track. I looked at what sort of tires would fit the rear disc brakes. It looked like I'd have to use some DOT type sticky 17s or 18s. I don't think a 16" wheel would clear the caliper, or it would be real close.

Dan Fahey · 07-03-2012, 02:59 PM

Wonder if IHRA would consider calling Pure Stock - Junior Stock ?

The rules are near identical.
So were the cams.

D

Joe Toller · 10-05-2012, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tand E racing

question? i assume that IHRA uses the same horsepower ratings as NHRA for they're pure stock class
unlike Phillip i wish there was more IHRA tracks in the northwest area to run not only Pure stock but some of the other classes IHRA offers. I think the closest right now is Ashcroft BC and i believe a track in Montana recently switched to IHRA?

Malta, MT has an 1/8 mile, and Yellowstone Dragstrip in Acton (near Billings) that was an NHRA strip has new ownership and is now IHRA.

GarysZ24 · 10-05-2012, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Your mistaken about the car weights. Both are close to 4000 lbs.

I got that info from the brochures about production models, that I happen to still have at home (I'll go double check what I saw and from what model years I saw it). I wish I would've seen this thread sooner so I could've replied sooner. The only other source of a comparo I'm familiar with is Car and Driver, and since they only test the top of the line in performance vehicles, they certainly didn't mess around with V6's (at least not in a comparo that I'm aware of). I will say this though, I wouldn't be surprised in the least that the Mustangs are the quickest, since I recall them being the lightest of the three....NOTE: I just went online to check out the most basic versions of the Camaro, the Challenger,and the Mustang, and here's what I found: 2012 Challenger SXT 2dr coupe...3.6L V6...5spd Auto...305hp..curb weight 3834.

2012 Camaro LS 2dr coupe...3.6L V6...6spd Auto...323hp...curb weight 3769 lbs

2012 Mustang V6 2dr coupe...3.7L V6...6spd Man...305hp...curb weight 3453 lbs

Based on this info (which the older ones I referred to show for power to weight ratio, to borrow from I believe "Alan Reinhart" (I may have mis-spelled his last name, but he's the sportsman announcer guy) who called a sportsman drag race between a Ford and a Chevy (at the '96 Fram/Autolite Nationals in Atlanta, Ga), by saying "GIVE IT TO THE FORD"!!!

Not far from 4000lbs, but not that close either....

Jeff Kempton · 10-06-2012, 09:14 AM

It pains me to say it, but I put my 2010 V-6 Camaro stick car on the scales last summer and with me, a full tank of gas, and an overnight bag on board it weighed 4025#. That puts it at about 3750 without the ballast, which agrees with what I just found online. The SS model is about 150 lbs. more with their bigger brakes, wheels, and added engine weight. And, I've been told that the Challenger is even heavier.

They're fun new cars but they sure aren't lightweights.

06-06-2012, 11:13 AM	#73
Dan Fahey VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,128 Likes: 1,084 Liked 184 Times in 113 Posts	Re: Pure Stocker Thread Thanks for the really great Reponse.. Sure would llike to see IHRA push Pure Stock a lot more, especially the PureStockDrag racing program. It would definitely add to the ranks to bring more rides to race in our series. A facinating opportunity to compete in a competitve program that keeps these rare cars engaged in racing history. IHRA would be wise to reach out to PureStockDrags and invite them. Plus PureStockDrag officials are also experienced Class Racers with an experiences Tech Department. Just think of the incredible car show it would bring seeing rare restored rides being exercised. Some cars we have not seen since the 60's and 70's..and teaming with personality. In fact Nostalgic Stock would be another excellent and natural consideration helping to revive Junior Stock/Pure Stock racing. This would be really cool because the changes to meet Pure Stock rules would be fairly inexpensive. There already has been calls to invite Nostalgic Stock to race in IHRA. Reposting this youtube link posted by another racer: BTW I am looking at planning a new Pure Stock Web Site. Want to collect Pictures and Comments about your rides. Going to take a lot of work and time. Send me your history of how you got into Stock Drag Racing. Include all your rides, pictures, brief description, especially detail the Pure Stock Rides. danfahey@dansources.com In Subject Line write PureStockDragRacing: Car and Class May need help Writing, Editing and putting this together. Volunteers appreciated Lets ROCK the GOALS Dan Fahey (SuperRef) Last edited by Dan Fahey; 06-06-2012 at 12:36 PM.

06-17-2012, 07:51 AM	#74
Corvette Guy Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 3 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Pure Stocker Thread saw this car run 11.26 blue one ran 11.36, not sure about the black one but it was in the 11's these car ran in Factory Stock, not FAST

06-17-2012, 10:50 AM	#76
James L Miller Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 494 Likes: 6 Liked 25 Times in 16 Posts	Re: Pure Stocker Thread I've seen the V6 Challengers were supposed to be 3900 pounds and some change. I've seen the V6 Chargers run 15s, so I'd say the early V6 Challengers would be low 15s stock. The newer one has more power, so they would get into the 14s I would think. I have a 2009 SE, but never ran it at the track. I looked at what sort of tires would fit the rear disc brakes. It looked like I'd have to use some DOT type sticky 17s or 18s. I don't think a 16" wheel would clear the caliper, or it would be real close. __________________ Mopar 2 Ya!

07-03-2012, 02:59 PM	#77
Dan Fahey VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,128 Likes: 1,084 Liked 184 Times in 113 Posts	Re: Pure Stocker Thread Wonder if IHRA would consider calling Pure Stock - Junior Stock ? The rules are near identical. So were the cams. D

10-06-2012, 09:14 AM	#80
Jeff Kempton Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 236 Likes: 1,043 Liked 66 Times in 30 Posts	Re: Pure Stocker Thread It pains me to say it, but I put my 2010 V-6 Camaro stick car on the scales last summer and with me, a full tank of gas, and an overnight bag on board it weighed 4025#. That puts it at about 3750 without the ballast, which agrees with what I just found online. The SS model is about 150 lbs. more with their bigger brakes, wheels, and added engine weight. And, I've been told that the Challenger is even heavier. They're fun new cars but they sure aren't lightweights.