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[Charlie Yannetti]

Originally Posted by B Parker

Billy, Charlie and Frank have you guys ever used a grid or a Race Pac. I would much prefer one of the old digital boxes but they don't make them anymore. I have both a carb car and a ETI car. The EFI car has it all over the carb car with the grid. If you know a way that you can use the grid to cheat lets here it. Now I wish I could tune the carb car as it went down the track. Anything that you can do with the grid you can
petty much do with the EFI cars. There maybe a few exceptions but I not aware of any. BP

I'm not an expert at using the grid and this year of racing is over for me. But next year come on over if your at a race I'm racing at. I'll plug the grid into my computer and show you what it can and can't do. I'd worry more about delay boxes or boxes with in another box.

I use a 7AL-3 box in my car, and have a RacePak Sportsman in my car... they are independent of each other.. the 7AL-3 is my ignition box, and the RacePak Sportsman monitors the sensors in my car.. I'm not sure of any way that I could use the electronics to assist me in the deadly dialing of my car.. HOWEVER, I have been told, and I have witnessed several drivers, only having to hit the tree, as the "Cheater Grid" has them on their dial.. I have brought this to the attention of NHRA, with negative results.. they did tell me that there is a device for testing the Grid, but there is only one of them, and it's not available at this race.. IMAGINE THAT!!!

As with the Matty Box, there are a limited number of individuals that have access to the secrets, but I'm sure that the info is available if you happen to be a trusted friend..

Am I saying that those using the Grid system have the ability to cheat??.. ABSO-FREAKIN-LUTELY.. especially in the Super classes, where it's the same dial every time..

[Robin Lawrence]

Originally Posted by Charlie Yannetti

. HOWEVER, I have been told, and I have witnessed several drivers, only having to hit the tree, as the "Cheater Grid" has them on their dial.. I have brought this to the attention of NHRA, with negative results.. they did tell me that there is a device for testing the Grid, but there is only one of them, and it's not available at this race.. IMAGINE THAT!!!A..

The grid is as benign as your MSD 7 box. Yes you can program timing curves.

Now if it has the ARC Module attached it can use timing retard to save a run by following a rpm trace.

That ARC Module or the previous use of that box, within a set period of time can be detected by the tester that you mention. Every DD was given one.

But, you can loan them yours if you wish. MSD Part number 89973.

I think that people are giving these components a lot more credit than they deserve.

Nothing is impossible. With the right amount of money and time I am sure anything can be compromised. We work hard to give NHRA the tools to ensure that our products haven't been modified.

Robin

[PozQB14]

Originally Posted by Robin Lawrence

The grid is as benign as your MSD 7 box. Yes you can program timing curves.

Now if it has the ARC Module attached it can use timing retard to save a run by following a rpm trace.

That ARC Module or the previous use of that box, within a set period of time can be detected by the tester that you mention. Every DD was given one.

But, you can loan them yours if you wish. MSD Part number 89973.

I think that people are giving these components a lot more credit than they deserve.

Nothing is impossible. With the right amount of money and time I am sure anything can be compromised. We work hard to give NHRA the tools to ensure that our products haven't been modified.

Robin

I agree Robin, the grid gets much more credit than it probably deserves. You really need to run a racepak in conjunction with a grid to really maximize all the advantages it has to offer but theres still no place for that in the Stock Eliminator game. Especially on carb engines. There shouldnt be 8 egts and 2 O2's on a carb stocker motor, because the technology you need to have to utilize that stuff isnt stock. The grid can still be advantagous at the starting line when the track is going away but that should be only for super stock. And there should be zero cars with wires on their rear ends period, idc how much you spent on your car. But Holley has provisions for sensors to "help" your high horsepower stocker launch on marginal tracks.

But here is where the water gets muddy Robin. Plimpton innovations has techonolgy out that works with a holley system that acts as a weather station hard wired into your ECU. And no, this will not work with a grid as you need inputs and outputs for this stuff to work. In the simplest terms, you can get a baseline run in different weather conditions and use this new tecnology to add and pull timing and fuel during a run to maintain the same speed as your baseline. In more or less words, you can write your dial with a sharpie marker on your window for the weekend. The people I work with are into the turbo scene on small tires and crap who roll their eyes at us stock and super stockers. But all the sensors they are using to make their high HP cars work on awful tracks are the same stuff guys with EFI could be using in the NHRA lanes. And theres noone to police it.