New rules for 2010?

[Dick Butler]

Sean, I think you miss the fact that many of the "Performance Minded" have also found "favored" HP motors that will never be brought back into line with the previously hammered Motors. NHRA will never remove HP from some performance motors while restarting NEW motors found at minimum to encourage a new contruction, a possible new racer and entry money. That is the reason for 90+ classes. Get everyone to Buy something to PAY ENTRY money. Many of the less fortunate are actually overfactored cars too. That why no break out would be a bad long term idea. It would be a great Quick FIX for underfactored stuff.
It would be better to hit the FAST stuff down towards the slower cars than give favoritism to less competitive cars because some might just not be worked on as hard or long....Hit the Hot stuff for a time and suddenly Class becomes a race of 4 different motors, not just the BOGUS one who everyone has to build next to stay in contention.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Sean Cour

Just keep making the rules easier for the less fortunate, and more difficult for the performance minded!

How do more heads-up runs make things easier on the less fortunate? It seems like that is exactly what performance-minded racers would *want*. I also repeatedly noted how this would incentivize slower guys to work on their stuff.

[Casey Miles]

When people talking about working on their stuff, does that mean you go to your engine builder and work on the dyno or buy the latest trick peice? I called for a cam shaft from Bullet cams and the first words out of the salesman was "who's your engine builder?". I said you are talking to him! I'd like to know what is meant by work on your stuff? Yes, I stopped working as hard as I can, but I build my own engines and work in my garage with limited time and funding. I think that old guys use the "Purple Pill", why not let us slow guys who work on our own stuff in ower own garage use the "Blue Bottle" to catch up with the guys who work on their professionally bought stuff? I'm angry because I keep hearing about lowering the indexes, my car is carrying weight from a car from 1968 Stock Eliminator. Which never got lifted off and just keeps on getting more weight because professional engine builders find more horsepower on a dyno so that the purchaser of the engine can go faster.
Work on your stuff, what a joke!

Casey Miles
248H

[Michael Beard]

Sorry, I usually put "work on their stuff" in quotes like that --- I agree with you!

[Casey Miles]

Micheal: My post wasn't aimed at you.
Casey Miles
248H

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by Casey Miles

When people talking about working on their stuff, does that mean you go to your engine builder and work on the dyno or buy the latest trick peice? I called for a cam shaft from Bullet cams and the first words out of the salesman was "who's your engine builder?". I said you are talking to him! I'd like to know what is meant by work on your stuff? Yes, I stopped working as hard as I can, but I build my own engines and work in my garage with limited time and funding. I think that old guys use the "Purple Pill", why not let us slow guys who work on our own stuff in ower own garage use the "Blue Bottle" to catch up with the guys who work on their professionally bought stuff? I'm angry because I keep hearing about lowering the indexes, my car is carrying weight from a car from 1968 Stock Eliminator. Which never got lifted off and just keeps on getting more weight because professional engine builders find more horsepower on a dyno so that the purchaser of the engine can go faster.
Work on your stuff, what a joke!

Casey Miles
248H

Mr. Miles-

Your post is exactly what I've been posting about. Because some racers are more fortunate, guys like you, which by the way, I admire, want things given too them. You want the "blue bottle" to be fast! How about taking pride in the fact you're doing it on your own. The potential is their, you said it in your post.

Cars aren't just fast because of an engine. They're fast because of the whole package. "Work on your stuff," at least from me, means torque convertor on back. Balancer, forward. You can pick a car up quite a bit with refining the good parts you already have. It's not always about making horsepower. Most of the time, it's about refining it, and applying it.

Sean

[Casey Miles]

Sean: I've worked on my car now for about 38 years, I've set the record with it when stock was stock. Now stock is if the after market vendor has the part in "Stock" means you can use that part in Stock Eliminator. My pockets aren't that deep and I sure I'm not the only one. Don't anyone understand that you can't recoup what you have spent on the latest parts no mater how fast you go. I went to Indy one year and I was missing a bumper bolt and they wouldn't let me go until I put one in it's place, now as long as the car has a bumper it's OK.

Casey Miles
248H

[stefan callender]

Originally Posted by Casey Miles

Sean: I've worked on my car now for about 38 years, I've set the record with it when stock was stock. Now stock is if the after market vendor has the part in "Stock" means you can use that part in Stock Eliminator. My pockets aren't that deep and I sure I'm not the only one. Don't anyone understand that you can't recoup what you have spent on the latest parts no mater how fast you go. I went to Indy one year and I was missing a bumper bolt and they wouldn't let me go until I put one in it's place, now as long as the car has a bumper it's OK.

Casey Miles
248H

What are you complaining about the fact that Stock has evolved, of the fact that you cant keep up with the Jones??? On an average, how many heads up runs does someone have per racing season not including class run off?? You dont have to run everyone heads up every round, its a bracket race for the most part, just run the race. Believe me, I would love to run Superstock, but I cant afford to run the way I would like to, so I go to the track with my friends that do run Superstock and Stock. Life isnt fair, If it was everyone would be running fast...

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Sean Cour

Because some racers are more fortunate, guys like you, which by the way, I admire, want things given too them.

There's a difference between having things given to you, and having things taken away from you.

I haven't seen "the slow guys" asking for anything, outside of the Worst Redlight discussion, which I feel is largely academic and highly unlikely anyway. Leave 'em alone. Lots of people got started because goals were attainable. Just because I was an index-runner as a rookie doesn't mean I'm an index-runner now. Nobody held a gun to my head and said "spend money". I did it of my own volition, as will the vast majority of "the slow guys". (I've run -1.000 under... can I join the country club now?)

You want the "blue bottle" to be fast!

Gotta work on that sarcasm detection... LOL I really don't think Mr. Miles was being serious.

The biggest thing that needs attention is rules enforcement, and proper HP factoring. (which -=gasp!=- might hurt some of "the slow guys")

Look at the big picture. Not through the peephole.

$.02,

[Sean Cour]

Does anybody know what year NHRA gave racers back .20 on the indexes? Early 90's I think.