Index Change

[SS Engine Guy]

Originally Posted by bsa633

this racing has come to look more and more stupid from year to year...almost like comp with lifting at the 1000...that had to be adressed in some way.. IMO.

I agree 100% that the lifting needed to go a long time ago. Incrementals should have been used and HP delt out accordingly. Alot of it could have been handled by just looking at the scale sheets.

[Chad Rhodes]

let's use this for an example

Sorensen is capable of 9.60's in AA/SA, i'm assuming that's all its got. That's damn fast, and almost 1.30 under the old index. He can't go any faster than that under the new index, it's now 1.00 under.

Hajek or any of the other CJ's were pedaling the cars and still got a 1.40 under bump in A/SA making them AA/SA only cars now. The CJs can now go 9.35 in stock eliminator before getting instant HP. 9.35!!!!!!!

Sorensen had a prayer in a heads up under the old index against a CJ trying to protect his factor. now the CJ can have a coke and a smile on the starting line, and just blow by him at 1000', there is nothing ANY combo can do with the CJ's now, they have been given more room to hang it out and make everyone else look bad.

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

let's use this for an example

Sorensen is capable of 9.60's in AA/SA, i'm assuming that's all its got. That's damn fast, and almost 1.30 under the old index. He can't go any faster than that under the new index, it's now 1.00 under.

Hajek or any of the other CJ's were pedaling the cars and still got a 1.40 under bump in A/SA making them AA/SA only cars now. The CJs can now go 9.35 in stock eliminator before getting instant HP. 9.35!!!!!!!

Sorensen had a prayer in a heads up under the old index against a CJ trying to protect his factor. now the CJ can have a coke and a smile on the starting line, and just blow by him at 1000', there is nothing ANY combo can do with the CJ's now, they have been given more room to hang it out and make everyone else look bad.

Very good example,but this is more common in a lot of classes than you might realize.
Its not just a CJ issue.

[The Hawk]

Ed,a letter is a consideration,but we`ll see. The last time I wrote a HP reguest to lower my engine combo,the email was misplaced/lost,and I had to resubmit. Finally one year after I sent the original,it was a no. We`ll see what I decide to do. Lane

[mjacquesjr]

Maybe just a way to get them out of A and B so now all the old muscle cars are back to being fastest in A, B, and C, just a thought.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Stocker.....

Id like a superstocker one, but I really want a nice FED for later next year, when I get one or a vintage flopper Ill be happy. After seeing the Super Stock Challenger Mike up at MPR did, up close and personal, now all I need is a body...(and Ive got a line on one) as Mike suggested its kinda dumb *** to cut on one of the real DP Challenger so much. Im not too much of a collector, but in this case weve come to agree (my dads initial reaction was well if we get bored in Stock well have Mike make it a SuperStocker) But since its his game, Im just in charge of building the car, driving it, finding a good driver for Nationals, getting sponsors, handling the reciepts, making the decisions on the components, rule compliance, and all the rest.....wait a minute....Dad get up off your butt (Just kidding, Ive usually got him running here and there for things as hard to find as the Holy Grail)

Cheers

Chris

Originally Posted by Tracy Robbins

Sounds like a sweet car...is this a stocker or a superstocker?

[SuperStockDodge]

Wow, now this is the best Christmas gift ever! Thanks NHRA!

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Lane M Weber

Ed,a letter is a consideration,but we`ll see. The last time I wrote a HP reguest to lower my engine combo,the email was misplaced/lost,and I had to resubmit. Finally one year after I sent the original,it was a no. We`ll see what I decide to do. Lane

Lane,what might of helped me was that Skelly was the man then,unfortunatly not now.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

I disagree, I disagree, I disagree.

I think the Challengers will run them down, or we wouldnt have gone with one. We are mopar guys but were also horsepower whores, we would run anything that could be at the top. On the 10th or so pass of one of the few Challengers that have been actually tracked it ran a 9.7? There is easily another 3 or 4 tenths there I hope.

It wont be as easy as spinning a super faster but hey.....weve also been taking about fielding an SCJ, in 11 if it proves out the Chally cant compete in A or AA . The chally will then (with a 5.7) be a DEF car then or if the index changes CDE. Then what will happen is everyone with an SCJ will need to put another 20 in their car to make it a real competitive racer, some already have, and Id be lying if I knew how many, my bet is with a car that fast outta the box the first thing you dont usually do is all the hard expensive stuff. AND there are a lot of guys with the cars that will look to the super for quick hp, 1 guy runs too little pulley and bang theyre all hit.

The fact that you can buy a BIW from Ford makes it intersting. Dodge you cant that I am aware of.

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

let's use this for an example

Sorensen is capable of 9.60's in AA/SA, i'm assuming that's all its got. That's damn fast, and almost 1.30 under the old index. He can't go any faster than that under the new index, it's now 1.00 under.

Hajek or any of the other CJ's were pedaling the cars and still got a 1.40 under bump in A/SA making them AA/SA only cars now. The CJs can now go 9.35 in stock eliminator before getting instant HP. 9.35!!!!!!!

Sorensen had a prayer in a heads up under the old index against a CJ trying to protect his factor. now the CJ can have a coke and a smile on the starting line, and just blow by him at 1000', there is nothing ANY combo can do with the CJ's now, they have been given more room to hang it out and make everyone else look bad.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by drooze

I am curious what car, combo etc, are you running ? Cant you move down as it were ? Why is this such a blow , Im being honest in my inquiry Id like to know, if its not to much.

Cheers

Chris

I agree with Stock 608 even though my car won't be affected quite as hard as his will (except between June & August). I just checked qualifying best times for my car (best ever was -.898 under at Tucson in March '08, and worst ever was -.395 @ Jegs Pacific Sportsnats off of old indexes), and as long as I don't race a so-called sea leveled track (such as Firebird Intl. Raceway, or Fontana, which are both over 1100ft), I should at least be able to run a few hundreth's under...but I can surely kiss winning class out of the window.

I don't know what combo he has, but some combos such as Lane Webers V6 Skyhawk, or my V6 Cavalier don't have the luxury of a class we can drop down to...the next classes down for down for both of our cars are exclusively for 4cyl engines, so Ed. F. this should answer one of the questions you had for "The Hawk"...I can deal with it, but this sucks!!!

More reason why I wish either I.H.R.A., or the re-birth of the A.H.R.A. will make their way out west too!!!