What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker.

Paul Ceasrine · 07-01-2010, 03:45 PM

Has anybody come up with that one?

Ed Wright · 07-01-2010, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

Has anybody come up with that one?

I had a couple. Just what do you mean?

Paul Ceasrine · 07-01-2010, 04:52 PM

Ed,
Is there a proper technical term.
Such as small-block engine, or D/Stock and above.
There are several general terms.
Some older guys say it ended in 1968, when they re-arranged the classes.
Others say, the 10.00 wt/hp break is the starting line of Jr. Stock.
Some others state that the 66' Street Hemi A/S is not a Jr. Stocker.
and no big-blocks.
But others consisder those 62' Dodge/Plymouth 361/305HP
(C/SA & D/SA) and 383/343HP (B/SA & C/SA) cars as Jr. Stockers. (I guess because its a small big-block/low-block)
PC

Michael Beard · 07-01-2010, 04:58 PM

Guess you could ask the guys at the York US30 Reunion next weekend. They're doing a tribute to Junior Stock. www.yorknostalgia.com

Dwight Southerland · 07-01-2010, 06:37 PM

For the most part, Junior Stock was everything below the top classes. There was always a "Super Stock", designated as "S/S". In 1961 they created an "Optional Super Stock" class for specialty factory options. In 1962 and 1963 there was a "Super Super Stock", "SS/S". In 1964 and 1965, there was a "AA/S". Starting in 1964 were the Factory Experimental classes, usually an A, B and C class. These classes and the mixes in the eliminators changed from year to year. For eliminators, in 1964 the FX classes and the Super Stock classes ran for "Top Stock Eliminator". In 1965 and 1966, AA/S or A/S also was included in "Top Stock". Everything else ran for "Junior Stock Eliminator". In 1966, the FX classes got dumped into "Street Eliminator" with the Gas classes, Modified Production classes, Sports Car classes and Modified Sports Car classes. In 1967, the FX classes were replaced with 10 Super Stock Classes and the eliminators were confined to the Super Stock classes and Stock classes as we know them now.

Junior Stock generally meant the classes and cars that were common production combinations you would see middle America drive on the street and had been turned into drag race cars, not the specialty high performance purpose built cars that the factory produced for performance impact sales.

X-TECH MAN · 07-01-2010, 06:49 PM

[QUOTE=Dwight Southerland;

Junior Stock generally meant the classes and cars that were common production combinations you would see middle America drive on the street and had been turned into drag race cars, not the specialty high performance purpose built cars that the factory produced for performance impact sales.[/QUOTE]

Kind of like the Blown Mustangs and DP Dodge cars of today.....lol.

Ed Wright · 07-01-2010, 07:10 PM

Paul, I don't think they were killed in 1968, that was the first year I attended the Winter Nationals at Pomona with my 2 4bl 9 passenger 1956 Chevy wagon. We were called that well after that. I put the same combo in a 210 2dr sedan for N/S a couple years later after tires got better. I ran the sedan a few years before they forced us into SS.
Seems like it was more like mid 70s?

Mark Yacavone · 07-01-2010, 08:32 PM

As usual Dwight is right on the money.

I would say the Junior Stock "era " officially ended with the Little Guy Nationals at Suffolk Raceway, at the end of 1971.
Right, Terry?

Ed Wright · 07-01-2010, 09:15 PM

Good ol Bob Rice once emailed me a scanned copy of the ND national record page showing my N/S et record (Ronca Bros held the MPH for about ever, I never could run that one) the last year before they dropped Stock and forced us to run SS. He may remember the year. I have it in one of the computers in my office. I can check when I get back to work Tuesday. Somebody will come up with it before then.

X-TECH MAN · 07-02-2010, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Good ol Bob Rice once emailed me a scanned copy of the ND national record page showing my N/S et record (Ronca Bros held the MPH for about ever, I never could run that one) the last year before they dropped Stock and forced us to run SS. He may remember the year. I have it in one of the computers in my office. I can check when I get back to work Tuesday. Somebody will come up with it before then.

1972 was when the Jr. stockers became Super Stockers.

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Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker. Ed, Is there a proper technical term. Such as small-block engine, or D/Stock and above. There are several general terms. Some older guys say it ended in 1968, when they re-arranged the classes. Others say, the 10.00 wt/hp break is the starting line of Jr. Stock. Some others state that the 66' Street Hemi A/S is not a Jr. Stocker. and no big-blocks. But others consisder those 62' Dodge/Plymouth 361/305HP (C/SA & D/SA) and 383/343HP (B/SA & C/SA) cars as Jr. Stockers. (I guess because its a small big-block/low-block) PC

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Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker. Guess you could ask the guys at the York US30 Reunion next weekend. They're doing a tribute to Junior Stock. www.yorknostalgia.com __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

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Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 2,000 Likes: 64 Liked 778 Times in 193 Posts	Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker. For the most part, Junior Stock was everything below the top classes. There was always a "Super Stock", designated as "S/S". In 1961 they created an "Optional Super Stock" class for specialty factory options. In 1962 and 1963 there was a "Super Super Stock", "SS/S". In 1964 and 1965, there was a "AA/S". Starting in 1964 were the Factory Experimental classes, usually an A, B and C class. These classes and the mixes in the eliminators changed from year to year. For eliminators, in 1964 the FX classes and the Super Stock classes ran for "Top Stock Eliminator". In 1965 and 1966, AA/S or A/S also was included in "Top Stock". Everything else ran for "Junior Stock Eliminator". In 1966, the FX classes got dumped into "Street Eliminator" with the Gas classes, Modified Production classes, Sports Car classes and Modified Sports Car classes. In 1967, the FX classes were replaced with 10 Super Stock Classes and the eliminators were confined to the Super Stock classes and Stock classes as we know them now. Junior Stock generally meant the classes and cars that were common production combinations you would see middle America drive on the street and had been turned into drag race cars, not the specialty high performance purpose built cars that the factory produced for performance impact sales. Last edited by Dwight Southerland; 07-01-2010 at 06:40 PM. Reason: Additional content

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X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker. [QUOTE=Dwight Southerland; Junior Stock generally meant the classes and cars that were common production combinations you would see middle America drive on the street and had been turned into drag race cars, not the specialty high performance purpose built cars that the factory produced for performance impact sales.[/QUOTE] Kind of like the Blown Mustangs and DP Dodge cars of today.....lol.

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Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker. Paul, I don't think they were killed in 1968, that was the first year I attended the Winter Nationals at Pomona with my 2 4bl 9 passenger 1956 Chevy wagon. We were called that well after that. I put the same combo in a 210 2dr sedan for N/S a couple years later after tires got better. I ran the sedan a few years before they forced us into SS. Seems like it was more like mid 70s? __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

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Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,815 Likes: 2,903 Liked 5,119 Times in 1,950 Posts	Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker. As usual Dwight is right on the money. I would say the Junior Stock "era " officially ended with the Little Guy Nationals at Suffolk Raceway, at the end of 1971. Right, Terry? __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

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Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker. Good ol Bob Rice once emailed me a scanned copy of the ND national record page showing my N/S et record (Ronca Bros held the MPH for about ever, I never could run that one) the last year before they dropped Stock and forced us to run SS. He may remember the year. I have it in one of the computers in my office. I can check when I get back to work Tuesday. Somebody will come up with it before then. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA