Consolidating Classes

[Paul Wong]

We need to stop worrying about the front drive cars! What problem do the 15 total cars in the country cause anyone on this forum? We have a a handful of underfactored cars out there that need to be dealt with and that in itself is where the source of all of this whining comes from. I think the factors are a joke but I am not on here asking for a major change of the system either. Other than that quit asking for constant modification of the system or who knows who the next modification of the systym may be. I may be too young to have been there but they killed off older stockers before and dont think that may not happen again. I know they let 1955 cars in but NHRA has a minid of its own and with a stroke of the pen that could be changed to 1985 and the inadequacy problems would be gone.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Didn't see consolidating fwd with rwd?

Just kidding.

Why kidd Ed? I thought they were going to do that back when the fwd stockers were cut in (less than) half last decade. I was prepared to race as a V/SA car...heck their indexes are nearly the same, so it wouldn't have been that much of an adjustment. Besides, I think it would be cool to see a fwd AF/S, or BF/S vehicle going heads up with a current T/SA, or U/SA class car in a heads-up class final!!!

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Owen S Quirion

Alan, You are kind of right and kind of wrong. You make a good point with the availability of cams, converters, etc... but just in case I've missed something for the last few years, where would I find let's say a set of 4.88, 5.00, or 5.13 gears because I would like a nice set. That would allow me to run a slick with a decent contact patch instead of the tiny little 20 inch tall M/T's that I have to run today in order to mask the fact that I can't get a little bit of gear. Maybe you never thought about why all of the FWD cars run the small tires, now you know. The other thing you need is a little physics refresher, yes the math works but the physics don't. You see, all cars whether FWD or RWD react the same way under acceleration, the reaction causes the front end to rise, thus helping the RWD gain traction with the big gear and the big tire. The FWD is just the opposite and very challenging to correct within the rules. I won't even get in to Fuel Cell placement and Battery relocation advantages. So, yes they could be merged but it would need to be done at the HP level, believe me.

Well said Owen, but much to our dismay M/T no longer makes the 20" tall slicks...the 8" wide ones were sold out, and I bought two of the last 3 slicks that M/T had in their online "Garage Sale" section, this past summer (unless the mail order folks have large enough quantities of them for our benefit?). When those wear out, I'm going to have to start using the D.O.T. 22" or "24" tires they have available, or change my wheel size to use other slick sizes that might fit, from Goodyear, or M&H?

[Dennis P Chapman]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

Well said Owen, but much to our dismay M/T no longer makes the 20" tall slicks...the 8" wide ones were sold out, and I bought two of the last 3 slicks that M/T had in their online "Garage Sale" section, this past summer (unless the mail order folks have large enough quantities of them for our benefit?). When those wear out, I'm going to have to start using the D.O.T. 22" or "24" tires they have available, or change my wheel size to use other slick sizes that might fit, from Goodyear, or M&H?

Hey Gary
You want to sell those 20" tires Lol.

[Billy Nees]

Dennis, back in the old days, Goodyear made some 6"x 20" Formula Vee tires that worked fine on the Sunbird. They were a 13' rim size though. They weren't listed in the Drag Tire catalog though. Might try to find a Road Racing cat. or maybe they have a websight?

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

Well said Owen, but much to our dismay M/T no longer makes the 20" tall slicks...the 8" wide ones were sold out, and I bought two of the last 3 slicks that M/T had in their online "Garage Sale" section, this past summer (unless the mail order folks have large enough quantities of them for our benefit?). When those wear out, I'm going to have to start using the D.O.T. 22" or "24" tires they have available, or change my wheel size to use other slick sizes that might fit, from Goodyear, or M&H?

At least according to the website, I got the last two 20x8-14's in existence off the garage sale site, back in January. Evidently, there must've been a couple more hiding in the back room! Might've been hidden inside somebody's Pro Mod tire. LOL They checked the date code on the ones we took off.... they were 14 years old! One of them was dead (cracked sidewall), but the other is actually still fine and has plenty of dot left on it. Kept as a spare.

Eventually, may have to buy new wheels and taller slicks. (22x8-15's or 22x8-13's for more sidewall) Wonder if it might help more than hurt? Ever play with them, Dennis?

[Dennis P Chapman]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

At least according to the website, I got the last two 20x8-14's in existence off the garage sale site, back in January. Evidently, there must've been a couple more hiding in the back room! Might've been hidden inside somebody's Pro Mod tire. LOL They checked the date code on the ones we took off.... they were 14 years old! One of them was dead (cracked sidewall), but the other is actually still fine and has plenty of dot left on it. Kept as a spare.

Eventually, may have to buy new wheels and taller slicks. (22x8-15's or 22x8-13's for more sidewall) Wonder if it might help more than hurt? Ever play with them, Dennis?

Never tried 22x8x13 but I do have set of the 22x8x15. But I just liked the way the car ran with the 20s but will see.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

Why kidd Ed? I thought they were going to do that back when the fwd stockers were cut in (less than) half last decade. I was prepared to race as a V/SA car...heck their indexes are nearly the same, so it wouldn't have been that much of an adjustment. Besides, I think it would be cool to see a fwd AF/S, or BF/S vehicle going heads up with a current T/SA, or U/SA class car in a heads-up class final!!!

I don't run Stock, so don't have a dog in that fight.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Dennis P Chapman

Hey Gary
You want to sell those 20" tires Lol.

I might have to consider it Dennis, but like someone else said, I like these tires because they fit my lightweight Cragar (14" X 8") wheels. I'll have to buy bigger or smaller wheels in order to use those sizes that Billy spoke of here, and I'm not ready to do that yet. So I'll wear these out, and go from there.

However, one reason I'm lookin forward to the different sized tires is by going at least 2" taller, I'll be able to stop having to change over from taller trailer fitting tires, to being able to go to the races ready to unload the car, and head right to tech...at 52 I;m not much of a spring chicken anymore...lol!!!

[Ed Wright]

Heck Gary, wait until your 67!