Super Stock Production ??

[Donnie Moore Jr.]

Originally Posted by Michael Kilduff

Terry,

Thanks for the clarification. I am familiar with the 500CFM rule for 2 bbls in Production SS, but maybe you can recall better than I can-

I am thinking Mark ran the '69 as a GT car for a while in the late 1980's, maybe as a 302 2bbl or something. I could be wrong about that.

But something I do remember just like it happened 2 minutes ago. I was working at Coastal Plains Dragway and the NHRA had a divisional race there in '86 or '87.. I remember when Mark pulled into the water with the '69 the announcer saying he had a 2 bbl on the car. I also remember being a little disappointed that the probability of more huge wheelies by that car would be a thing of the past.
When he left the line on that run the wheels were up so high I coulda walked underneath the car and changed the oil ,lol.

Ed,
I don't know why the 2 bbls are classified in IHRA Prod SS. Maybe it was lobbied for in regards to parts breakage or something else. I will say this though, IHRA Production SS cars are totally cool!

Michael,
Mark didn't go with the small block combo until the mid 90's , he first tried it with auto then went with the awesome stick combo then switch back to autos cause he likes the big wheelies and they are more expensive with the stick and harder on parts .....and he can run almost as fast with the 4BBl as with the 2BBl but the 2BBl has softer index ...hey Mark I know you read these thought I would just clear some of it up

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Michael Kilduff

Terry,

Thanks for the clarification. I am familiar with the 500CFM rule for 2 bbls in Production SS, but maybe you can recall better than I can-

I am thinking Mark ran the '69 as a GT car for a while in the late 1980's, maybe as a 302 2bbl or something. I could be wrong about that.

But something I do remember just like it happened 2 minutes ago. I was working at Coastal Plains Dragway and the NHRA had a divisional race there in '86 or '87.. I remember when Mark pulled into the water with the '69 the announcer saying he had a 2 bbl on the car. I also remember being a little disappointed that the probability of more huge wheelies by that car would be a thing of the past.
When he left the line on that run the wheels were up so high I coulda walked underneath the car and changed the oil ,lol.

Ed,
I don't know why the 2 bbls are classified in IHRA Prod SS. Maybe it was lobbied for in regards to parts breakage or something else. I will say this though, IHRA Production SS cars are totally cool!

I dont remember what he had at that time as I quit in the 80;s and didnt work again until 1990. He might have had a small block????

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Donnie Moore Jr.

Michael,
Mark didn't go with the small block combo until the mid 90's , he first tried it with auto then went with the awesome stick combo then switch back to autos cause he likes the big wheelies and they are more expensive with the stick and harder on parts .....and he can run almost as fast with the 4BBl as with the 2BBl but the 2BBl has softer index ...hey Mark I know you read these thought I would just clear some of it up

Maybe Mark could correct me on anything I have wrong. here. I think Im pretty close on most of it???? Its been a long time ago.

[Donnie Moore Jr.]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

You are correct but in the beginning the production S/S'ers (Formula stock) and regular super stocks were 2 seperate eliminators. This was around 71 when I first started with IHRA. SS/P1 could be 3/2's, 2 4's, or factory FI and formula SS was the correct name for the classes. The name of the class and what number depending on the carbs has been scrambled around several times since 71.

Dads first national event win was 1975 Hollywood Fla. SS/3B which was 427 Hi riser -- 2BBl stick ,best part of the story is he says that he won more money that weekend than he had in the whole car those days will never happen again

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Donnie Moore Jr.

Dads first national event win was 1975 Hollywood Fla. SS/3B which was 427 Hi riser -- 2BBl stick ,best part of the story is he says that he won more money that weekend than he had in the whole car those days will never happen again

Thats cool. I just read where Grumpy had $8000 in his 1968 Pro stocker in 1970 and won almost $30,000 with it in 3 weeks. Those days are HISTORY. Tell your dad hello for me if you will.....Thanks.

[Brandon Peterson]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

And the 2bl cars aren't trying to be a big fish in a small pond, or avoid heads ups?
Seriously? And, yes, I would say the same about 2bl SS cars and FWD. Too many obsure classes.

Actually i lost first round of the World finals race this year due to a a heads up against Mark Young in a 2 barrell class..we arent running 2bl instead of 4bl to shy away from heads up runs infact if that was the case im sure Homer would have put a 4bl on his car years ago because he couldnt run with Mark...a SS/Production car won D 9 in super stock this year and another was runner up in super stock this year and i believe Mark was 5th this year so you got 3 out of the top 5 in Div 9 are 2 bl cars...are you saying if IHRA removes the 2bl production class you would run IHRA and so would everyone else that doesnt even bother to run a race with us...i didnt think so everyone can come on here and type IHRA needs to do this to be better or do that and we will come....who gives a rip about the 2bl production class or the 4 bl production class i think people need to quit making excuses for reasons why IHRA is not getting the car count...its not the number of classes its the pride that it would take someone to admitt that maybe just maybe they are a good association to run with and have a good program but its like that ole joke blablabla is like riding a mo ped its fun untill your friends catch you right!!!

I personally think it is horse crap that there are people who think classes we run should be deleted by IHRA yes I run a production 2bl car and i won D9 in it this year i wouldnt trade that for nothing and yes i have a god aweful crate motor stocker also its the decay of IHRA stock get over it guys IHRA gave the working class man a place to race and have fun on a budget and thats what we do have fun and race.....im with Beard maybe we should just start saying lets get rid of this because i dont like it or understand it...i bet the guy that invented the cell phone took the same kind of crap i read on here sometimes but look at those bad boys now i can complain on here all day with my cell phone via internet wow...

thats my .01

[340Cuda]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

2 bls? Sounds like AHRA! That is just a class to crawl to so heads ups can be avoided.
A 2 barrel carb has no place on a modified class race car. How dumb!

Yes this is basically the AHRA Formula Stock class , except AHRA had three "formulas".

1. Multiple Carbs
2. Four Barrel
3. Two Barrel

Tulsa racer Roy Kempe won the AHRA world championship way back when with a Formula 3 small block Duster, "Dusteruction"

Bill

[Roger K Fain]

Has anyone looked at those 2-barrel carbs these guys run? They are the 500cfm Holley that are scienced-out to the nth degree to flow almost as well as a mediocre, out-of-the-box,4bbl. Additionally, they have tricked-out sheet-metal intakes, with angle-milled big valve heads and over-balanced cranks, and super lightweight rotating assemblies(hence, 9500 launch w/10,000 rpm trap zingers). I think most of them just like the challenge of being different and the sound of a smallblock (Ford or Chevy) going down the track. Have you ever heard Joe B's wild Chevy injected V6 in his Mustang scream on top end? Gotta love it.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by 340Cuda

Yes this is basically the AHRA Formula Stock class , except AHRA had three "formulas".

1. Multiple Carbs
2. Four Barrel
3. Two Barrel

Tulsa racer Roy Kempe won the AHRA world championship way back when with a Formula 3 small block Duster, "Dusteruction"

Bill

I know Roy. Raced that little Duster many times at Tulsa. He and Diane are great people. Good little driver.

[Bench Racer]

Back in the 80's my brother David Jackson held the IHRA SS/2JA record for many years with a 1958 Chevy Wagon. The car was a 283 (292ci) with a 650 holley 2bbl. The carb had been reworked by TRC (I think out of Ga). The carb would flow 730 or 780 and was as quick on the 283 as a 4bbl and would turn 10.500rpm with no problem. They were not required to run any type of restrictor plate and the hot tip was a 2bbl adapter made by Braswell that was several inches tall and matched to the Holley strip dominator intake. They also made small velocity stacks for the 2bbl. The index was pretty soft on the combo and David would always qualify well if not #1. The carb was legal and was checked many times by Robert Leonard when he was the tech man. IHRA had a plexiglas guage that Robert used to check the venturi size. The 650 holley did not have any boosters in the venturi and had discharge holes drilled arount the top of the venturis, it also had a 50cc accelerator pump. It looked like a garden sprinkler when you would work the throttle linkage by hand lol. Don Jackson