Who didn't see this coming? - Barton

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Saftey first

First things first I CANNOT believe anyone one give a dime to David..... A couple things here,First off, the guy has a HIGH powered Motor on a small tire, next the track is EXTREMELY hot, so yes, MANY MANY people spun with the same kinda cars. Sorry, but he deserves the fine, he stop's the car ON THE TRACK and gets out yelling with his foul mouth. There are things you can and cannot do, and that is one of them you cannot do. Not to mention how he screwed his own "SPORTSMAN" racer behind him in the burnout box. As far as your video of your crash on another poorly prepped track., learn how to lift next time, and not correct it to hard. If you ask me, I think maybe his Dad should pay the fine, not other sportsman racers since David is out there promoting his Dad.

Maybe you guy;s can help me out, I got pulled over the other day, and when the cop came up to the car I jumped out and starting cussing him out, and i got locked up. I set up a Paypal account for my fellow sportsman racers to bail me out. Thank you for your time guy's, and remember.... SAFTEY FIRST.

Thanks for your opinion no name, no body

[Bruce Noland]

This clown is calling for safety first while attempting to defend the indefensible. The starting line was the hazard not David's actions or comments. And he wasn't on a gd highway dealing with cops. My check is in the mail.

[Dan Bernay]

I don't always heed my own advice but everybody count to ten before hitting " post reply".
These types of threads always seem to get ugly.

[Greg Reimer 7376]

Seems to me the final decider as to whether or not to make a run is the driver. While there's no excuse for an unsafe racing condition, if I start my burnout in the left lane,for example, and notice a hood lying in the lane between the 1000 and the end, I'm not going in until they move the hood or toss me out. Same with bad traction conditions.In the event cars are going all over the place while you sit and watch, you have the option to either refuse to stage, leave the track, or make the run and take your chances.I have left test and tunes without getting a good run because conditions were not good. Once at a points race, the fat red faced potbellied redneck running the front of the lanes was practically swearing at me for refusing to roll up behind two cars doing a burn out. I refuse to get a broken windshield or side glass from flying rocks because some loser track official orders me up. Once the cars moved up to stage, I rolled up and positioned myself for a run,leaving him behind. Seems that at a Western national event a few yeaars ago, an entire eliminator catagory refused to run because the track was that bad, so they finished that race at the next national event. I don't care who is in charge, safety of people and cars comes first.

[John Duzac]

Originally Posted by Toby Lang

So, what would you propose they use instead of PJ1 (which is the same thing as VHT except the name)?

Also, what Wade said.

Toby, just walk on the starting line and see for your self. I really do not think PJ1 is the same as VHT. That's all I'm saying. I am told PJ1 costs less VHT. Something is wrong, it is just that simple. Last year when I walked on the starting, it would pull your shoes off. This year the tracks are using PJ1 and the surface is sticky, but not nearly as it was last year.
When I set the C/S record, the first run I almost aborted the run. That's how badly the car spun. The second run hooked better, but not nearly as good as I am use to.
Thanks Toby...on what Wade said. Good luck to you guys on the left coast.

[Jeff Niceswanger]

Originally Posted by John Duzac

Toby, just walk on the starting line and see for your self. I really do not think PJ1 is the same as VHT. That's all I'm saying. I am told PJ1 costs less VHT. Something is wrong, it is just that simple. Last year when I walked on the starting, it would pull your shoes off. This year the tracks are using PJ1 and the surface is sticky, but not nearly as it was last year.
When I set the C/S record, the first run I almost aborted the run. That's how badly the car spun. The second run hooked better, but not nearly as good as I am use to.
Thanks Toby...on what Wade said. Good luck to you guys on the left coast.

VHT Trackbite is a PJH product.. On the side of the drum ,in big letters it says..PJ1...Here is the link from Jegs to purchase it (at the bottom)...It can be purchased at several places here in OHIO. It smells like cotton candy when they spray it on the track....Well, at least to me it does.

TRACKBITE1
VHT TrackBite Traction Concentrate is a unique formula that is designed to create adhesion between rubber, asphalt, and concrete. This product is available from Bazell Race Fuels in 55-gallon drums, and can be shipped via common carrier. As a promoter, you need to insure the fastest, most exciting race that you can. TrackBite is the only track treatment that can assure more exciting racing without harming your track. The more entertaining your races are, the greater attendance you will develop. You must compete with all other forms of entertainment in your area and there is nothing that will drive fans away from your track faster than a dull race. Conversely, nothing will attract fans faster than exciting races and finishes. TrackBite will increase race competition and make your track faster than others. TrackBite stays tacky for weeks and won't run off, even in heavy rains. Most of all, it won't harm your track, it actually seals and protects the asphalt.

TRACKSPOT1
VHT TrackSpot is a powdered resin traction compound designed to aid in traction and the removal of bald spots from track surfaces. Low horsepower cars or cars with narrow tires place their cars in the same place on the starting line repeatedly. After many cars leave the starting line from the same spot, the rubber is removed and bare concrete begins to appear. If no care is taken to put the rubber back on the bald spot, the area will become larger and elapsed times will become slower. VHT TrackSpot is specially formulated to quickly apply rubber to the track surface to reduce bald spots and elapsed times. TrackSpot is available in 5 gallon pails.

TRACKBLACK1
PJH Brands is proud to announce an additional product for racetrack surface improvement. TrackBlack increases appearance, safety, and performance by maintaining consistency on the edges of the track. Not for the starting line or the traffic groove, VHT TrackBlack enhances teh appearance of the less-used track surface. It is ideal for enhancing televised or other filmed events. Exposure to the elements and normal "wear and tear" leave the track barren and discolored. TrackBlack returns the rich dark black color, seals the surface, and restores the consistent peripheral traction areas to that of a world-class racetrack. TrackBlack is part of a complete track preparation solution and is for use in conjunction with VHT TrackBite. TrackBlack is available in 55-gallon drums, and is applied similarly to TrackBite.

TrackBite, TrackBlack and TrackSpot can be shipped directly to your track or place of business. Please call (800) 521-5420 for pricing. We sell traction compound for track application only. We do not sell gallon jugs of traction compound for tires.

1VHT, TrackBite TrackBlack and TrackSpot are registered trademarks of PJH Brands.

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[RACER1530]

If NHRA can't make a fair playing field, they have no right to charge $310 entry fee.

[David Barton]

Originally Posted by RACER1530

If NHRA can't make a fair playing field, they have no right to charge $310 entry fee.

My thoughts exactly. Whatever their excuses are, we all paid for a professionally prepped race track. The biggest slap in the face for me is the head starting line guy claimed he didn't have time to drag the line because he had a schedule to stick to.

[Pedigo Perf]

Originally Posted by RACER1530

If NHRA can't make a fair playing field, they have no right to charge $310 entry fee.

Looks like $2810 if you want to complain about it. Weren't both lanes screwed? That would be fair wouldn't it?

[herbjr]

Originally Posted by John Duzac

David, sorry about the mishap. I beleive as long as they keep using PJ1 traction compound the problem will continue. Conditions will get much worst when the track surface gets above 100. All you need to do is just walk on the starting line and see if your shoe sticks to the track???? I am sure you have experienced a track like that. Ever since they started using PJ1 the starting line has not been sticky. This is a real problem for high HP cars. At No Problem, when you would walk on the track, it would pull your shoes off! In 2013, I have not noticed my shoes coming off and bald spots a plenty. The only thing different is everyone is using PJ1! That's what I noticed.

The problem is not PJ1, at Piedmont Regular Pro Mod racers run 3.80's in the 1/8 on PJ1 testing many times a month, there is a process to prep the track and NHRA does it before the pros run.