Approval of Super Stock Class Aftermarket Cylinder Heads

[bubski]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Of course, I knew you would be the first one to respond with idiotic statements as usual!

1. None of the NHRA approved aftermarket castings are available. If they are, post where they can be purchased.
   Difficult to find good OEM cores anymore and when you find them, they are worth as much as an aftermarket core.
2. The proposed Profiler cylinder head has a finished chamber, not an unfinished chamber.
3. Opening and moving the pushrod holes is a standard machine operation for Super Stock cylinder heads.

As always, you are clueless and just posting to stir the pot with no facts. Just go to your basement to your keyboard jockey role!

Bubski says as per your post !! 1 Too bad u can't buy aftermarket heads from Jegs and build a SS engine !! 2 OMG !! it has a "finished " chamber !! 3 !! Opening up and moving pushrod holes is not the same as starting with a head that doesn't have them already !! Ask any Mopar or Chevy PORTER that has to work around the core shift between right and left intake ports !! ALL these heads you propose as unavailable are all over the internet !! Much cheaper than a new casting !! BUT you want "cheaper" What Bubski is saying is that you want an advantage !! PLEZZE HAVE ANOTHER BUD LIGHT !!

[SpeierRacing]

So let me get this straight... All the work you have to do to the OEM casting, brazing, seats, guides, epoxy, is cheaper than a core that doesn't require that? Not only that it's not IF, but WHEN they crack...

And to be honest, the Edelbrock requires the same amount of labor. They need LOTS of work.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by bubski

Bubski says as per your post !! 1 Too bad u can't buy aftermarket heads from Jegs and build a SS engine !! 2 OMG !! it has a "finished " chamber !! 3 !! Opening up and moving pushrod holes is not the same as starting with a head that doesn't have them already !! Ask any Mopar or Chevy PORTER that has to work around the core shift between right and left intake ports !! ALL these heads you propose as unavailable are all over the internet !! Much cheaper than a new casting !! BUT you want "cheaper" What Bubski is saying is that you want an advantage !! PLEZZE HAVE ANOTHER BUD LIGHT !!

Back off the pipe or you are clueless like all your prior postings.
If you can find a set of Edelbrock P/N 60887 or 60637 cylinder heads, post the links or where to get them. I know of a well-known engine builder that has 30 Edelbrock castings on order for over a year.
Not wasting any more of my time responding to your dumb and idiotic comments.

[bubski]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Back off the pipe or you are clueless like all your prior postings.
If you can find a set of Edelbrock P/N 60887 or 60637 cylinder heads, post the links or where to get them. I know of a well-known engine builder that has 30 Edelbrock castings on order for over a year.
Not wasting any more of my time responding to your dumb and idiotic comments.

Bubski says !! OMG talk about clueless !!! So what if an obscure aftermarket head for a SBC isn't available !! Try a factory one like everybody else !! Oh no they leak , they're thin ,they don't flow good etc etc !! Sometimes you gotta look at the combo you wish to build and determine if its a viable choice !! not just the HORSE POWER WELFARE that comes with it !! Not all heads can be heated to 1000 degrees and ground on mercilessly and remain usable !! just like not all blocks can go .080 over and maintain a ring seal !! Its all about determining if that combo is viable !! How about all the Motorcraft , WCFB ,and 4 Jet guys get a 4150 Holley carb cause those carbs aint good enough today ?? This is all about YOUR LIBERAL AGENDA to further take SS into bracket 2 and make it easier on yourself !! Everyone wants a clean sheet of paper head to CNC machine because the factory heads are tough with all the inconsistencies they are plagued with !! And nobody wants to hand grind anymore !! Too Bad !! You wanna do SS heads that's just the way it is !! While your at it go after Stocker intakes !! Im sure the nice people in China have you covered !! cause you can't find a real one !! But they have a hi-rise air gap manifold for everything out there !! What this all boils down to is an agenda to make things easier for a few and much harder for most !! Bubski's thinking !! Of course the minority will win !! That's just the way it is nowadays !! Bubski is growing tired of this IDIOTIC thread and gotta get back to the 85b to chop off some intake flanges to make CC !! SS needs more enhancements and welfare like America needs more invaders crossing our borders !! Go have a Bud Lite !! CHEERS !!

[Don Sofranko]

Man, I remember when it was straight up mansville to use your real name, along with a good argument...

Please be more like the great engine builders of class racer, like Westcott and a few others that don't use hidden names.
I have no idea who the 2 main posters here are?

SSdiv6 is unknown after what... 40 years?

Bubski is likely a Ford guy of sorts, from what I can tell?

You both make fun points at times, but really, man up and use your name, when asking for rules changes, so we can see your personal agenda.

As for heads, race modified if you want fresh meat heads.
Pretty sure its near billet over there?

Many thanks to Jeff N. for spilling his guts, on what that leaky combo he ran was like, but you said it best, they leak.

I haven't entered a race in 20 years now, and its stay and puke cash, or get a hobby that doesn't need revised every week!

ex SSdiv5
Don

[SBillinson]

Originally Posted by Don Sofranko

Man, I remember when it was straight up mansville to use your real name, along with a good argument...

Please be more like the great engine builders of class racer, like Westcott and a few others that don't use hidden names.
I have no idea who the 2 main posters here are?

SSdiv6 is unknown after what... 40 years?

Bubski is likely a Ford guy of sorts, from what I can tell?

You both make fun points at times, but really, man up and use your name, when asking for rules changes, so we can see your personal agenda.

As for heads, race modified if you want fresh meat heads.
Pretty sure its near billet over there?

Many thanks to Jeff N. for spilling his guts, on what that leaky combo he ran was like, but you said it best, they leak.

I haven't entered a race in 20 years now, and its stay and puke cash, or get a hobby that doesn't need revised every week!

ex SSdiv5
Don

SSDiv6 is known to many on this board. He's a very good, decent man who's been involved in class racing for long time. He's also smart and accomplished, so I'm sure he has a good reason for concealing his name.

As for the other guy? Nobody seems to know him.

[MR DERBY CITY]

It’s no secret that Div6 is Joe Elias.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by SBillinson

SSDiv6 is known to many on this board. He's a very good, decent man who's been involved in class racing for long time. He's also smart and accomplished, so I'm sure he has a good reason for concealing his name.

As for the other guy? Nobody seems to know him.

Thank you Steve!

When I first created my profile, I was working in aerospace classified programs and my employer and the government strongly suggested that if we used social media, to refrain from the use of our real names.

As Mr. Derby City stated, my name is Joe Elias and when my job allows it, you can find me hanging out at the races with racers and friends.
Eventually, looking forward to finishing my new car and having fun with my racing family.

As regards this subject, those that know me, I am always looking to help others in many areas, especially technical. Believe me, the guy at Glendora does not like me, especially when it comes to tech stuff. Therefore, I can expect the day that I eventually I show up with my new car at a national event, to be torn down.
Now, let's get back to the subject and ignore the bubski clown...

[Don Sofranko]

Well thanks for the note Joe, you make intelligent and well written posts, so I respect that.
It does sound like you have a combo that would favor this head?
What combo are you building?

So what combo would this head be legal for? It looks like a decent head for modified stock SS/AS ?
I remember it was a novel idea, to watch STK SS cars, with original power plants, (OEM parts mostly) and see how fast someone could make them go. That was entertaining, and sometimes still is. I was never in favor of aftermarket castings.

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What would the unported price come in at?

A few years ago, several guys wanted a Brodix headed spec class.
I belong to the Modified Fb page, and admire that old class, but really you can still build that type of car with better parts today.
Why not admit you really want to run modified?

[SpeierRacing]

Let's pretend there are Edelbrock heads on the ground and everyone has them...

I spent lots of time with Edelbrock trying to get them to change a few things on the casting. There is ZERO reason that casting needs a 2.200 seat ring. It simply doesn't make a good head. Even with the 2.02 it leaves a .100 step at the seat/chamber transition! The throat is WAY too big. It's OK for a 2.02 valve, but marginal with a 1.94 and not even close for the 305 guys. The exhaust is decent but needs welded to be great, So at the end of the day the registers, the throats, the exhaust need welded up even before you start adding epoxy. Have $3000 in heads before you even look at port design.

Told Edelbrock all this.. They agreed to put a smaller OD seat ring in the next batch. THANKS! But it has to come out to fix the throats..

Now OEM.. I have a pallet of cracked heads here. Guys will simply not spend the money on OEM if aftermarket is legal. The last OEM I sent out to be brazed cost $1100 for the exhaust and then all the machine work to fix everything.

So this leads to the casting submitted.. $749 retail.. NO welding required. NO epoxy required. Makes a much nicer offering. That was the reasoning for choosing this casting. It's NOT an advantage to anyone. Guys are spending the money to get what's legal, ready to even use.

Like it or hate it, aftermarket heads are legal. Just trying for another option to maybe get more involved. Make a better offering. You do this when everything you tell a maker falls of deaf ears.

We weren't trying to reengineer the wheel here. We were just trying to legalize a casting that is cast with all the work being done to the Edelbrock. That's simply all..