Roller Cams in Stock Eliminator?

What does the combo that can be run in the car I race have anything to do with roller lifters for flat tappet stockers? Is that the new tactic/redirect?
You know I still have my Firebird, and I don’t have 1/10 of
the parts that you guys are allowed in your Chevrolets, so I really don’t want to hear about which fair and what the car came with then so on. I’ve been around this game a decent amount of time, I’ve seen the progression that your engine family has gone through from where it came from.
Barry anytime you build something is the best of everything and always very fast. I applaud you. Thanks for bringing up the availability of parts. Why don’t you try to find out what the leadtime is on a set of Jesel keyed lifters for a big block Chevy and cost while you’re at it. Because I’m sure when the roller lifters are allowed, that’s the lifters you will be buying for your engine.
Keep pushing for super stock, rules and parts and one day that’s what we’ll all be racing whether we like it or not

Originally Posted by B Parker

Barry, I'm not saying you can't do it with the good lifters. And I agree I don't see it getting changed. Not enough racers have blown their stuff up yet. I wonder what that number will have to be before they change a rule. To set something straight there are a heck of a lot more flat tappet lifters in motors than just the high HP Big Block Chevy's. MY brother blew his small block Chevy up with Schubeck lifters. Took him over a year to get a good set of lifters. Todd says we can all do it with soft cams and lifters. You know like we did 25 years ago. He's right but we all know your going to slow down a bunch. If you're running a competitive class good luck in heads up runs. I'm not good with the Dodge/ Chrysler stuff. Maybe someone can help me out here. Back 15 plus years ago I ran a 69 Camaro. It ran ok (B/SA). But from one year to the next a Chrysler car went from just running ok in B/SA to flying the next year. I was told by a fellow racer that NHRA approved the NASCAR motor for the combo that it never came with. Anybody remember what year that was? BP

Originally Posted by B Parker

Hey Todd, didn't you run high 9.50's in A. I haven't scared 70's and your trying to tell me how to slow my car down. Don't need your help I can do that on my own. LOL BP

There is a guy up in Massachusetts that has an orange Camaro, quite famous in fact. He is faster than all of us and he has basically your combo. I think he is run 60s in B so you may want to take that post and rework it a little.

[Terry Cain]

Originally Posted by 1347

Did you buy these cam and lifters yet? Or do you just put this post up every 3 mos hoping you don't have to? I went to the Indy list and I count at least 82 cars that are solid/hydraulic lifter/cam cars. So for Indy its over 50%.
I also thought your car was for sale, are you lobbying for a rule change right before you retire?

Yes bought two sets. One set lasted 2 runs. Other 20 minutes on dyno. Yes, my car is for sale. Didn't say I was getting out of racing. I said I had thought about it but just like every other idiot that is racing, I'm hooked.
OH, and Yes I am getting older by the hour and would really like to race ( a little) instead of constantly searching, researching and waiting months for parts. The wait for parts has really gotten out of hand. No body stocks anything.

[1347]

Originally Posted by Terry Cain

Yes bought two sets. One set lasted 2 runs. Other 20 minutes on dyno. Yes, my car is for sale. Didn't say I was getting out of racing. I said I had thought about it but just like every other idiot that is racing, I'm hooked.
OH, and Yes I am getting older by the hour and would really like to race ( a little) instead of constantly searching, researching and waiting months for parts. The wait for parts has really gotten out of hand. No body stocks anything.

Unless you bought some crap lifter, or your lifters had a defect, I would be looking at other things. Wiping out 2 cams in that period of time appears you may something else going on. My son bought a set of Clay Smith made in USA lifters for his 350 300hp combo, which they claim are the original Johnson Lifters, broke them in with just the outers, and has had no problems this year.

[B Parker]

Duane, your son is a good kid, and he is learning to run Stock the right way. Like most of old timers did. Buy what you can afford to and work on your car yourself and see how fast you can make it run. I would assume he has a mild cam compared to what's out there today. The problem with running a car in a popular class that way you won't survive to many heads-up races. For me it cost too much in time and money to attend these races and I don't wish to bring a knife to a gun fight. Although it will never happen, I would be in favor of bringing the duration rule back. Would save a lot of motors. I bet not many running Stock would even know how to check duration. BP

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by B Parker

Although it will never happen, I would be in favor of bringing the duration rule back. Would save a lot of motors. I bet not many running Stock would even know how to check duration. BP

Now THAT's some funny stuff right there! Barry, if you've been around long enough to remember the "duration rule" then you must obviously remember the camshafts (and camshaft companies) that rule spawned. It sure would be nice to have some kind of a valve spring rule even though with the springs available today it probably wouldn't mean much.

Yes, Doug IS a good young man. I just hope that we (collectively) don't ruin him.

[Plyguy63]

Originally Posted by impstocker

Is this going too happen? Is it or has it been discussed? I am starting to build my motor might need new lifters so before i spend money..

Thanks, any feedback appreaciated.

Will Lamprecht Div. 1 I/SA 396/325 65 Impala in progress

My car was stored for 26 years and 4 years ago started to update the car somewhat (call me stupid). Well bodywork, paint, trans, converter, the list goes on. So decided to put it in C/SA from B/SA. Can't run with those anymore. So it's a 63 Max Wedge wagon and got to the motor (flat tappet). New Bullet cam $760, tool steel DLC coated lifters $1600, pushrods, etc, etc. Ready for the dyno. My point is I don't want a rule change now to roller lifters after all the money I have spent. Just my opinion. Have read most of the posts on this and there are good reasons for and against a rule change.

[Terry Cain]

Originally Posted by Plyguy63

My car was stored for 26 years and 4 years ago started to update the car somewhat (call me stupid). Well bodywork, paint, trans, converter, the list goes on. So decided to put it in C/SA from B/SA. Can't run with those anymore. So it's a 63 Max Wedge wagon and got to the motor (flat tappet). New Bullet cam $760, tool steel DLC coated lifters $1600, pushrods, etc, etc. Ready for the dyno. My point is I don't want a rule change now to roller lifters after all the money I have spent. Just my opinion. Have read most of the posts on this and there are good reasons for and against a rule change.

Not wishing any bad on ya but if you haven't had on Dyno yet you might have spoke too soon. Good Luck.

[Plyguy63]

Originally Posted by Terry Cain

Not wishing any bad on ya but if you haven't had on Dyno yet you might have spoke too soon. Good Luck.

We have done everything we can do to avoid problems. Never know. Will put it on the dyno at Line Performance, can't ask for a better place to do it. I can't wait for a rule change that may never come. Retired, that's why it took so long. Bought this car in 1976 at the U S Nationals. Part of the family now.

You are in good hands and you made a good call.

Originally Posted by Plyguy63

We have done everything we can do to avoid problems. Never know. Will put it on the dyno at Line Performance, can't ask for a better place to do it. I can't wait for a rule change that may never come. Retired, that's why it took so long. Bought this car in 1976 at the U S Nationals. Part of the family now.