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Old 12-24-2012, 04:34 PM   #71
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I believe those two runs were in the first half of the year not the second period.
Yeah Tom, What, you expect the tech dept. to check back 6 whole months to get their facts?
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Old 12-24-2012, 07:04 PM   #72
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Billy the year is split into two parts. The second half starts all over.
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Old 12-24-2012, 07:18 PM   #73
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Billy the year is split into two parts. The second half starts all over.
Tony, you're kidding me right?
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No I am not kidding that is how it works. The early session is separate from the second session.
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Old 12-24-2012, 10:02 PM   #75
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Mr. Nees, Mr. Janes is 100% correct.
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Old 12-25-2012, 09:18 AM   #76
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No I am not kidding that is how it works. The early session is separate from the second session.
The class/ combo averages don't go away every 6 months! How can they give a combo that went .92 and .95 under 6 month ago back HP unless they're just not doing their job and bothering to check? HP give backs are supposed to be based on averages of less than .35 under. Wake up boys!
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Old 12-25-2012, 09:31 AM   #77
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The class/ combo averages don't go away every 6 months! How can they give a combo that went .92 and .95 under 6 month ago back HP unless they're just not doing their job and bothering to check? HP give backs are supposed to be based on averages of less than .35 under. Wake up boys!
From the AHFS website.

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The AHFS is used to review and evaluate runs in Stock and Super Stock for possible horsepower adjustments. The review is conducted twice per racing season. The two reviews are compiled individually so the data is not cumulative. Runs included in the AHFS database are limited to final qualifying runs (Q data) and all elimination runs (E data) at all NHRA National, Sports National and LODRS events. (At events where class eliminations are run, all class elimination runs are included in the AHFS database. Only the first round of class is part of qualifying and therefore is part of the "Q" database.) The "Q" data and "E" data files are the official data gathered by the NHRA timing system and processed through the NHRA Information Technology department. NHRA "Q" data and "E" data are the only data files used for the AHFS. No runs made during National Opens, test and tune, time trials, or races within a race (i.e. Jegs Allstar eliminations, Stock / Super Stock Combos or other races that are not part of a season long points championship) are included in any review.

The first review period includes data from National and LODRS events 1 through 12 and the second period includes runs from events 13 through 24.
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Old 12-25-2012, 10:50 AM   #78
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The review is conducted twice per racing season. The two reviews are compiled individually so the data is not cumulative.
I know how the rule is written, BUT, I think that you will find that the intent is for GIVING HP not REMOVING HP. If it were enforced as written then it would be too easy to "tank" your average and get HP removed in a matter of 6 months.
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Old 12-25-2012, 11:07 AM   #79
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The way the rule is written is pretty clear to me. It is in two halves and the two runs you listed don't count since they were in the first half. It isn't any more complicated than that in my opinion.

It is not as easy to get HP take off as you are suggesting. You have no control over anyone else that runs the combo and all they (or you) have to do is to run once at .85/quicker or two runs at .65 or quicker.

If those two thresholds haven't been eclipsed then the average has to be slower than .55 under (not the .35 under you posted). It is easier not to get HP then to have it taken off.
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The way the rule is written is pretty clear to me. It is in two halves and the two runs you listed don't count since they were in the first half. It isn't any more complicated than that in my opinion.

It is not as easy to get HP take off as you are suggesting. You have no control over anyone else that runs the combo and all they (or you) have to do is to run once at .85/quicker or two runs at .65 or quicker.

If those two thresholds haven't been eclipsed then the average has to be slower than .55 under (not the .35 under you posted). It is easier not to get HP then to have it taken off.
I believe that getting hit with horsepower or index is automatic no decision making.
In getting HP or index off. They have to decide to do it it is not automatic. If it was if you were the only car in the class, you could run slow for the first 6 months then fly in the next 6 months. That could tilt the combo class winner big time.
I seriously doubt that if I went .4 under for 6 months I would get an index reduction?
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