Indy...No Horsepower Factoring - Page 6

4406mopar · 05-25-2016, 12:19 PM

Yes, please come show us how fast you can go with no penalty! LOL. This is the race that nobody should attend. An ambush in the making.

Paul Wong · 05-25-2016, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Albert Lee

How about this scenario? Everyone runs Wide Open and magically the system gets revamped over the Winter with Brand New factors.

No charge for the conspiracy theory.

Al Corda

I cant agree more with you.

Ron Ortiz · 05-25-2016, 05:04 PM

Hey Paul, they already have all the incremental times for the old combos, just not enough info on the newer cars, thus, the no AHFS. It really doesn't matter, the newer cars are in a more favorable position.

Like Dwight said, egos come into play, so it should be fun.

Question is, how many of the top 10 spots will be newer cars?

Ron Ortiz
U/SA if I entered, will they give me less HP.

Kevin McKenna · 05-25-2016, 06:43 PM

Wow. Lots of conspiracy theories. Nary a shred of evidence. Any chance this was done simply because enough racers, manufacturers, and perhaps even a few hard core fans asked for it?

Personally, I think this has the makings of the best class race in a decade. I'd hate to think anyone is staying home just because they feel the need to protect their combination.

But oh, please make Sept. 1-2 a pair of cool crisp fall days in Indy.

Mike Keener · 05-25-2016, 07:49 PM

My belief is that the "Flat Out" no AHFS US Nationals that is being offered by NHRA is "not designed to fool competitors" in to showing their hand in order to gather the necessary information that they feel they need to level the playing field once and for all.

In my opinion if that was NHRA's motive they could have secretly used the ammunition gathered over past National Open events where most competitors raced with no fear what so ever of the AHFS and It could have been corrected long ago. Seems to me there is not much chance they haven't been over the results from those events with a fine tooth comb and Nitro's stats lay all the cards right on the table for all to see.

My believe is that NHRA is reacting to the many complaints from racers who are totally unhappy with the fact that the Factory Shootout cars are being allowed "special privileges" by being exempt from the AHFS and therefore dominating the top half of the qualifying sheet.

Just my .02

SStockDart · 05-25-2016, 08:13 PM

I am not supporting this senerio, but stop and think about it. Indy is the only race where we qualify and slower ones (based on current HP ratings), do not get to race. For all other races, everyone races. The only time AHFS comes into play is a "heads up" race. All other runs are "bracket races".

A simply change by NHRA would eliminate all of the headaches for NHRA trying to keep up with hundreds, if not thousands of combinations and the bit--ing from us racers.

- Run everyone that is entered at all races, including Indy
- Eliminate "heads up" races...every race, you dial your time.

No reason to have AHFS. Be careful what you wish for.

Jeff Niceswanger · 05-25-2016, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SStockDart

I am not supporting this senerio, but stop and think about it. Indy is the only race where we qualify and slower ones (based on current HP ratings), do not get to race. For all other races, everyone races. The only time AHFS comes into play is a "heads up" race. All other runs are "bracket races".

A simply change by NHRA would eliminate all of the headaches for NHRA trying to keep up with hundreds, if not thousands of combinations and the bit--ing from us racers.

- Run everyone that is entered at all races, including Indy
- Eliminate "heads up" races...every race, you dial your time.

No reason to have AHFS. Be careful what you wish for.

If they did that, I'd quit. And so would everybody else that are class racers at heart ... If I want to bracket race every time I run a similarly equipped competitor, I would do exactly that ( bracket race ) at my own home track . I could stay in the Columbus Ohio area and sleep in my own bed every night ...

rk3800 · 05-25-2016, 08:41 PM

Well put Jeff, some of these guys just don't understand what class racing is
all about. See you at Bowling Green.

farmco r/sa · 05-25-2016, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4406mopar

Yes, please come show us how fast you can go with no penalty! LOL. This is the race that nobody should attend. An ambush in the making.

Just because you're parinoid doesn't
mean there not watching.......

farmco r/sa · 05-25-2016, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin McKenna

Wow. Lots of conspiracy theories. Nary a shred of evidence. Any chance this was done simply because enough racers, manufacturers, and perhaps even a few hard core fans asked for it?

Personally, I think this has the makings of the best class race in a decade. I'd hate to think anyone is staying home just because they feel the need to protect their combination.

But oh, please make Sept. 1-2 a pair of cool crisp fall days in Indy.

Hoping Billy Nees or one or more of the other obscure combo guys will get into there vast collection that I can only invision
and build an awesome dime rocket W/Stocker or something for a cool race with a factory stocker ! Get out your popcorn!

05-25-2016, 12:19 PM	#51
4406mopar Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 233 Likes: 168 Liked 120 Times in 53 Posts	Re: Indy...No Horsepower Factoring Yes, please come show us how fast you can go with no penalty! LOL. This is the race that nobody should attend. An ambush in the making. Last edited by 4406mopar; 05-25-2016 at 12:21 PM.

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Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 989 Likes: 35 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: Indy...No Horsepower Factoring Hey Paul, they already have all the incremental times for the old combos, just not enough info on the newer cars, thus, the no AHFS. It really doesn't matter, the newer cars are in a more favorable position. Like Dwight said, egos come into play, so it should be fun. Question is, how many of the top 10 spots will be newer cars? Ron Ortiz U/SA if I entered, will they give me less HP. __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

05-25-2016, 06:43 PM	#54
Kevin McKenna Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 194 Likes: 0 Liked 32 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Indy...No Horsepower Factoring Wow. Lots of conspiracy theories. Nary a shred of evidence. Any chance this was done simply because enough racers, manufacturers, and perhaps even a few hard core fans asked for it? Personally, I think this has the makings of the best class race in a decade. I'd hate to think anyone is staying home just because they feel the need to protect their combination. But oh, please make Sept. 1-2 a pair of cool crisp fall days in Indy.

05-25-2016, 07:49 PM	#55
Mike Keener Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 294 Likes: 102 Liked 24 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Indy...No Horsepower Factoring My belief is that the "Flat Out" no AHFS US Nationals that is being offered by NHRA is "not designed to fool competitors" in to showing their hand in order to gather the necessary information that they feel they need to level the playing field once and for all. In my opinion if that was NHRA's motive they could have secretly used the ammunition gathered over past National Open events where most competitors raced with no fear what so ever of the AHFS and It could have been corrected long ago. Seems to me there is not much chance they haven't been over the results from those events with a fine tooth comb and Nitro's stats lay all the cards right on the table for all to see. My believe is that NHRA is reacting to the many complaints from racers who are totally unhappy with the fact that the Factory Shootout cars are being allowed "special privileges" by being exempt from the AHFS and therefore dominating the top half of the qualifying sheet. Just my .02 __________________ Mike Keener A/S B/S C/SM

05-25-2016, 08:13 PM	#56
SStockDart VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arizona, Texan forever Posts: 1,176 Likes: 879 Liked 574 Times in 212 Posts	Re: Indy...No Horsepower Factoring I am not supporting this senerio, but stop and think about it. Indy is the only race where we qualify and slower ones (based on current HP ratings), do not get to race. For all other races, everyone races. The only time AHFS comes into play is a "heads up" race. All other runs are "bracket races". A simply change by NHRA would eliminate all of the headaches for NHRA trying to keep up with hundreds, if not thousands of combinations and the bit--ing from us racers. - Run everyone that is entered at all races, including Indy - Eliminate "heads up" races...every race, you dial your time. No reason to have AHFS. Be careful what you wish for. __________________ Gary Hansen - SS/FA 4911, B/SA 4911

05-25-2016, 08:41 PM	#58
rk3800 Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 187 Likes: 0 Liked 101 Times in 33 Posts	Re: Indy...No Horsepower Factoring Well put Jeff, some of these guys just don't understand what class racing is all about. See you at Bowling Green.