Index Change

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Lane, You've had that combo for the better part of 20 years now and it has the potential of being number one qualifier.

Mark, I don't recall ever seeing a combo such as Lane's ever being number one qualifier, and unless one slipped by me, I'm going back to the '80's with how long I've followed Stock Eliminator (especially the national events)? Am I missing someone who raced a car engine combo like his? Who???


A half second under the old index shouldn't be that hard to achieve ,without spending a big pile of money.

Mark, your key statement was "A half second under the old index"! Now that the old index is just that "old", it will take money and lots of it to get .3 sec.... If I want to get that .3 back in my car, I'm going to have to get headers for it, and thanks to Hooker not making them anymore for my car, I'm going to have to part with $1,000 (hardly what I'd consider a small pile of money)!

You're just not going to get a lot of sympathy on here with that program.

Lane, you'll get sympathy from me because I haven't forgotten the '06 Mile High Nat's, that only thanks to you was I able to get my car to run the index (which was key in my beating Tony Hernandez in rd. 3, with my index plus .004 "16.664").

Somtimes you have to open the wallet a little.

Yeah Mark you can open it as long as you have some money in it???

it never was intended to be Affirmative Action Drag Racing.

No it wasn't intended to be that, but it shouldn't be a rich person only sport (which it seems like that's what it's becoming). I wonder how our dearly beloved (and now even more sadly missed) NHRA founder "Wally Parks" would feel about these changes that's happened since his unfortunate passing??? He wasn't rich, but he associated his-self with similarly minded people who shared a passion for "full throttle acceleration", and thru support of others his ideal became a reality for all of us to enjoy. Sadly corporate greed has settled in over recent years, and those of us who payed our entry fees and attended the races, are being stomped on and squeezed out like forgotten step-children!!!
Good luck, whatever you decide to do.

Mark, I hope you noticed the fillers I added to your comments on the above thread that's highlighted....

I'll agree with you on this though Mark...Lane, "Good luck, whatever you decide to do"!!!

[Bob Gullett]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

More reason why I wish either I.H.R.A., or the re-birth of the A.H.R.A. will make their way out west too!!!

Not to change or high jack the thread, but the AHRA rules are posted. From what I read, stock fuel tanks and street equipment must be retained in stock. Looks like both stock and super stock rules are different.
http://www.ahradragracing.com/STOCK.html
http://www.ahradragracing.com/RULES.html

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Bob Gullett

Not to change or high jack the thread, but the AHRA rules are posted. From what I read, stock fuel tanks and street equipment must be retained in stock.
http://www.ahradragracing.com/STOCK.html
http://www.ahradragracing.com/RULES.html

Ok, well at least IHRA isn't like that....yet???

[Stock 608]

If they are going to do this. Why not make the announcement in summer of 09. That way people like myself (the low buck slow stocker) can try and get something figured out. saying effective in 2010. So come time for pomona we would actually be under the index. I have planned on going to the 50th winters for almost a year. Saved, time off, entered, and now this with only about a month before... Someone mentioned earlier about not having enough young stk and ss racers, well i am a young stock racer who can barely afford to race, but i am out doing what i love. But what i love just became a lot harder now. Santa all i want is 2 tents for Christmas!

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

I'll agree with you on this though Mark...Lane, "Good luck, whatever you decide to do"!!!

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone View Post
Lane, You've had that combo for the better part of 20 years now and it has the potential of being number one qualifier.

Mark, I don't recall ever seeing a combo such as Lane's ever being number one qualifier, and unless one slipped by me, I'm going back to the '80's with how long I've followed Stock Eliminator (especially the national events)? Am I missing someone who raced a car engine combo like his? Who???

>>>>> Don Sarret , Neil Smedley 77 Pontiac 8-9 years ago. 1.40- 1.50 under

Larry Munk , home built ,budget car 78 Le Mans 7-8 tenths under.



A half second under the old index shouldn't be that hard to achieve ,without spending a big pile of money.

Mark, your key statement was "A half second under the old index"! Now that the old index is just that "old", it will take money and lots of it to get .3 sec.... If I want to get that .3 back in my car, I'm going to have to get headers for it, and thanks to Hooker not making them anymore for my car, I'm going to have to part with $1,000 (hardly what I'd consider a small pile of money)!

>>>>> Gary, nobody made headers for my 84 Citation either. I called up Hooker and got a bunch of components for their S 10 headers. Welded them together ,and picked up about 4-5 tenths. That was the first complete set of headers I ever built and it wasn't all that hard. Cost? under $200.
Nobody made a decent set for my 350 Buick /Omega. I bought a flange set from TA and some split flow collectors and u bends. About $300 .
I know what you're going to say next, but if can't build them or pay someone else to,
you'll just have to call 1-800-CRY-NHRA


You're just not going to get a lot of sympathy on here with that program.

Lane, you'll get sympathy from me because I haven't forgotten the '06 Mile High Nat's, that only thanks to you was I able to get my car to run the index (which was key in my beating Tony Hernandez in rd. 3, with my index plus .004 "16.664").

Somtimes you have to open the wallet a little.

Yeah Mark you can open it as long as you have some money in it???

>>>> My meager income never even makes it to MY wallet.

it never was intended to be Affirmative Action Drag Racing.

No it wasn't intended to be that, but it shouldn't be a rich person only sport (which it seems like that's what it's becoming).

>>>>> That surely doesn't describe me, but take a look in my backyard on Google Earth, and see if you see any HIGH DOLLAR number 1 qualifying Stockers there.

I wonder how our dearly beloved (and now even more sadly missed) NHRA founder "Wally Parks" would feel about these changes that's happened since his unfortunate passing??? He wasn't rich, but he associated his-self with similarly minded people who shared a passion for "full throttle acceleration", and thru support of others his ideal became a reality for all of us to enjoy. Sadly corporate greed has settled in over recent years, and those of us who payed our entry fees and attended the races, are being stomped on and squeezed out like forgotten step-children!!!


Good luck, whatever you decide to do.

>>>>>That goes for you too, and happy holidays.

[Dion Hildebrandt]

Originally Posted by Stock 608

This is a huge blow to my program. I was about a -30 player before and ok with that. Now i will most likely not be able to even run the index. I don't have the money to make up the difference. So my car will not see much nhra action in 2010, just bracket racing. I may end up still going to pomona since i had planed on it, but thats about it. I understand why it was done, but its a hard deal for racers on a tight budget and who's cars are not fast enough anymore...

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

I'm curious, what do you guys guess is the average age of a stock eliminator competitor and car?
Based on that data what is the future of stock eliminator 10-15 years from now?

I ,like Ryan (stock 608) am a 'young gun' (he's younger than me, I'm 34) I can afford to race STOCK only because I am self employed and 'sponsor' myself. This change with a stroke of a pen makes my car useless as it was good for -0.25. yea yea yea I know 'work on it' . Mid week I found out my combo went from a 300 horse rated at 290 to a 285 rating GREAT! i can lose 57.5 pounds ,to finding out my slow car is non qualifier everywhere. How does the nhra figure they are going to get new (young) blood excited about class racing when the current crop of drivers are questioning if it is even worth it to compete themselves? I was already planning on hemorraging my wallet for the annual off season update was kinda hoping to jump up to a -1.00 or -0.90 car for 2010, i guess it will be a -0.70 or -0.60 .......................makes the 'investment' easy to explain to my pregnant wife!

[X-TECH MAN]

[QUOTE=Dion Hildebrandt; How does the nhra figure they are going to get new (young) blood excited about class racing when the current crop of drivers are questioning if it is even worth it to compete themselves? [/QUOTE]

In case you havent figured it out.......NHRA dosent care. Its all about the SHOW (Circus Acts).

[Jim Bailey]

Terry: That's really not a bad idea. Buy the end of 2010, even with the new index, All the Big Engine Mustangs, convertibles included, and the Big Engine Challengers should be AA cars or SuperStock only. (As they should be) It'll be interesting to see how the new smaller engine combo's of the purpose only built cars figure into the skeem of things. MAN, I can hear the whinning now!!! Maybe Stock Eliminator will be all Ford Mustangs and Dodge Challengers in every class...Now that would be fun to watch ... Spec Stock Eliminator Cars of the Future!! ... That's when I quit. JB

[Jim Bailey]

Opps, sorry, wrong thread! JB

[RJ]

The 2010 indexes are 1/2 second quicker than they were in 1976, squeezing out 5 tenths in last 34 years, about -.015 ET per year (especially with the liberalization of the rules) isn't much.